[App_rpt] How are Steve and Jim doing?

Gary gary at tcomeng.com
Sun Dec 10 22:55:50 EST 2006


Great to hear from you Steve! Hope things go well for your recovery.

Gary


hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com wrote:
> 
> All
> 
> As of 12/7 Im out of surgery and am starting 
> physical therapy.
> 
> Steve, WA6ZFT
> 
>> From: "Nevada Amateur Radio Repeaters, Inc." <w7aor at narri.org>
>> Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:49:20 PST
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>> Subject: [App_rpt] How are Steve and Jim doing?
>>
>> How are Steve and Jim doing?
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>>    1. Re: RE : Configuration Hints for Multiple Radios on 1 node
>>       (Steven Henke)
>>    2. Asterisk controller to a CAT Controller(full duplex) (Will)
>>    3. Re: Asterisk controller to a CAT Controller(full duplex) (Gary)
>>    4. Asterisk Controller to a Cat Controllerl (Will Wright)
>>    5. Re: Asterisk Controller to a Cat Controllerl (Jim Duuuude)
>>    6. Re: Asterisk Controller to a Cat Controllerl (Gary Young)
>>    7. Asterisk Controller and the CAT Controller (Will Wright)
>>    8. DTMF tones not passing to connec to oether nodes (Will)
>>    9. Re: DTMF tones not passing to connec to oether nodes (Gary)
>>   10. Asterick controller  to a CAT controller (Will)
>>   11. Re: Asterick controller to a CAT controller (Jim Duuuude)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 01:29:34 -0500 (EST)
>> From: "Steven Henke" <sph at xelatec.com>
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt] RE : Configuration Hints for Multiple Radios on
>> 	1 node
>> To: f6hqz-m at hamwlan.net
>> Cc: 'Asterisk Repeater Controler' <app_rpt at lists.illiana.net>
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>> Francois,
>>
>> With 4 channels running I am sure you can help.
>> I did get the repeater and simplex stations connecting through iaxRpt but
>> not as dialup extensions.
>> I will resume work on this tomorrow and contact you then.
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> Hi Steven and the list.
>>>
>>> I have 4 simplex channels into my Asterisk.
>>> May I can help you a little if you post your config files ?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> F6HQZ,
>>> Francois BERGERET.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : app_rpt-bounces at lists.illiana.net
>>> [mailto:app_rpt-bounces at lists.illiana.net] De la part de Steven Henke
>>> Envoy? : mardi 5 d?cembre 2006 03:52
>>> ? : app_rpt at lists.illiana.net
>>> Objet : [App_rpt] Configuration Hints for Multiple Radios on 1 node
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Just shouting out for some configuration help. My system was up and
>>> running
>>> with one simplex radio and I added another ARIB and a repeater over the
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>> I can set up a configuration that works for either the repeater or for the
>>> simplex radio but not both.
>>>
>>> Also I'd like to be able to use the iaxRpt client to connect to either or
>>> both of the radio's.
>>>
>>> I've got a club demo to do so any hints or help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> I'd be glad to call anyone back who can help.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Steve Henke, W9SH
>>> Allstar Link Node 2057 (which is down for local testing and development)
>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:19:10 -0600
>> From: Will <w4wwm at knology.net>
>> Subject: [App_rpt] Asterisk controller to a CAT Controller(full
>> 	duplex)
>> To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net
>> Message-ID: <457652CE.1090900 at knology.net>
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>>
>> Gary,
>>  Thanks for responding, I am trying to wire to the repeater port of the 
>> Cat Controller and not to the link port of the Cat controller.  I do 
>> know that your first explanation will work, I've had it working. But 
>> will work only from the link port of the Cat Controller. I'm  asking is 
>> it possible to make it work from the repeater port (Full duplex) to 
>> Asterisk Controller (full duplex)?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Will / W4WWM
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:39:22 -0800
>> From: Gary <gary at tcomeng.com>
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Asterisk controller to a CAT Controller(full
>> 	duplex)
>> To: Asterisk Repeater Controler <app_rpt at lists.illiana.net>
>> Message-ID: <4576578A.3050908 at tcomeng.com>
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>>
>> The same connections shuold be made to either a link port or a repeater
>> port.
>>
>> Set the node definition to:
>>
>> duplex = 0
>>
>> which is, no repeat - links only, and it should work.
>>
>> I have an IRLP node connected this way and it works great.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> Will wrote:
>>> Gary,
>>>  Thanks for responding, I am trying to wire to the repeater port of the 
>>> Cat Controller and not to the link port of the Cat controller.  I do 
>>> know that your first explanation will work, I've had it working. But 
>>> will work only from the link port of the Cat Controller. I'm  asking is 
>>> it possible to make it work from the repeater port (Full duplex) to 
>>> Asterisk Controller (full duplex)?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Will / W4WWM
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:28:45 -0600
>> From: Will Wright <w4wwm at knology.net>
>> Subject: [App_rpt] Asterisk Controller to a Cat Controllerl
>> To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net
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>> Gary,
>>
>> When I define duplex = 0, which means as you said to half duplex would I
>> have to switch the controller back to 2 wire? Right now it's set to 4w,
>> full duplex. Thanks
>>
>> Will / w4wwm
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:20:34 -0800
>> From: "Jim Duuuude" <telesistant at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Asterisk Controller to a Cat Controllerl
>> To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net
>> Message-ID: <BAY119-F2267D808B094E3F4413A96B1DC0 at phx.gbl>
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>> nope, leave it in 4 wire
>>
>>
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>>> Gary,
>>>
>>> When I define duplex = 0, which means as you said to half duplex would I
>>> have to switch the controller back to 2 wire? Right now it's set to 4w,
>>> full duplex. Thanks
>>>
>>> Will / w4wwm
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 18:17:22 -0800 (PST)
>> From: "Gary Young" <gary at tcomeng.com>
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Asterisk Controller to a Cat Controllerl
>> To: "Asterisk Repeater Controler" <app_rpt at lists.illiana.net>
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>> What Jim said.....
>>
>> Duplex=0 is just what you need for a 4W duplex connection to a controller.
>>
>> -- 
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>> Gary,
>>>
>>> When I define duplex = 0, which means as you said to half duplex would I
>>> have to switch the controller back to 2 wire? Right now it's set to 4w,
>>> full duplex. Thanks
>>>
>>> Will / w4wwm
>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:10:56 -0600
>> From: Will Wright <w4wwm at knology.net>
>> Subject: [App_rpt] Asterisk Controller and the CAT Controller
>> To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net
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>> Thanks Jim and Gary,
>>
>> I did leave the switch in the 4 wire position and it is now working.
>> Just have some issues with DTMF tones at the right levels (I think).  I
>> can DTMF in from the repeater and get the Asterisk Controller (ARIB) to
>> respond on the time, the version and the repeat only audio. But cannot
>> connect to a few nodes that I have connected to before. Oh maybe my IP
>> some how is at fault. Hmmmmm, Maybe my DTMF levels at this location on
>> the controllers are to low. Also, I can not hear my call sign when it is
>> announce, but I do see it on the CLI when announce. Anyone have any
>> ideas? Anyway, thanks again  for responding and Jim I hope you are
>> feeling better.
>>
>> Will / W4WWM
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:12:03 -0600
>> From: Will <w4wwm at knology.net>
>> Subject: [App_rpt] DTMF tones not passing to connec to oether nodes
>> To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net
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>>
>> Gary or Jim,
>>
>> I see back in October there was a discussion about passing dtmf tones 
>> and the use of the command line mode.
>>
>> I'm wondering would that be the issue here?   As you know, I have the 
>> asterisk Controller setup on the repeater port controller B. My repeater 
>> (uhf) is on controller A, repeater port 2. On the third port it is 
>> bridge or hardwired to Controller B link port. I can send tones over 
>> from the controller A and get the asterisk node to respond to command 
>> such as *7, *81, and *82, but cannot get the dtmf tones to respond to 
>> distant nodes. Could this be the same case where I would have to use the 
>> command line mode to pass the dtmf tones through? If so what or how I 
>> could execute this command? or tell me where I can read about it more in 
>> depth.  Thanks
>>
>> Will / W4WWM
>>
>> Will / W4WWM
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:19:52 -0800
>> From: Gary <gary at tcomeng.com>
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt] DTMF tones not passing to connec to oether
>> 	nodes
>> To: Asterisk Repeater Controler <app_rpt at lists.illiana.net>
>> Message-ID: <4578D9D8.4050405 at tcomeng.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Are you are trying to send DTMF from the asterisk system to the Controller
>> B? If so, you need to 
>> connect in command mode to the node that is interfaced to the controller to
>> send DTMF out to the 
>> controller port.
>>
>> If you have remote Asterisk nodes, they all need to be set to pass dtmf link
>> to link.
>>
>> There is no real documentation that I know of on this.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> Will wrote:
>>> Gary or Jim,
>>>
>>> I see back in October there was a discussion about passing dtmf tones 
>>> and the use of the command line mode.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering would that be the issue here?   As you know, I have the 
>>> asterisk Controller setup on the repeater port controller B. My repeater 
>>> (uhf) is on controller A, repeater port 2. On the third port it is 
>>> bridge or hardwired to Controller B link port. I can send tones over 
>>> from the controller A and get the asterisk node to respond to command 
>>> such as *7, *81, and *82, but cannot get the dtmf tones to respond to 
>>> distant nodes. Could this be the same case where I would have to use the 
>>> command line mode to pass the dtmf tones through? If so what or how I 
>>> could execute this command? or tell me where I can read about it more in 
>>> depth.  Thanks
>>>
>>> Will / W4WWM
>>>
>>> Will / W4WWM
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 02:51:48 -0600
>> From: Will <w4wwm at knology.net>
>> Subject: [App_rpt] Asterick controller  to a CAT controller
>> To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net
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>>
>>  >>Are you are trying to send DTMF from the asterisk system to the 
>> Controller B?
>>
>> Yes,  I need to send DTFM  to controller B.  Asterisk is on controller B 
>> wired the repeater port as of the few last e-mail post.  On controller B 
>> there are 3 link ports, port 1 is 2 meters, port 2 is IRLP(node4516) and 
>> port 3 is the half duplex link (hard wired} to Controller A.  If 
>> possible I would like Asterisk to send DTMF to control the links.  I 
>> would also have the IRLP program to send DTMF tones back to Asterisk for 
>> linkup to any Asterisk nodes, via from Controller A
>>
>> Controller A is bridged or Hardwired by way of port 3 to Controller B 
>> port 3. One side of my controls will be coming from Controller A to 
>> Controller B and the other from B to C
>>
>>  Anyway if you like you can give me a call on my IRLP node 4516 any 
>> time. Thanks
>>
>> Will / W4wwm
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 03:11:26 -0800
>> From: "Jim Duuuude" <telesistant at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Asterick controller to a CAT controller
>> To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net
>> Message-ID: <BAY119-F2901CC01CCE5AB5D4628FBB1D30 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>>
>> Well here's some documentation that I just whipped up
>> (not bad with 2 broken hands). You can tell I was sorta
>> getting slap happy near the end (with my dry humor).
>>
>> Interfacing Alien Worlds (or linked systems at least)
>>
>> When given the task of providing usable communications between
>> alien worlds, one first must analyze the similarities and
>> differences between them. Then you need to find the most
>> efficient way of dealing with the differences.
>>
>> One of these 'worlds' is the 'conventional' radio system based
>> on controllers that have a 'common link path', that is where
>> controllers are linked together thru permanent RF links connected
>> to a controllers "link" port(s) and to provide linking between
>> repeater systems (connected to "repeater" ports on their associated
>> controller(s)), the controller opens an audio and control channel
>> between the repeater's port and the link's port.
>>
>> In this manner, several repeaters on one controller (each on their
>> own repeater ports) and one or more links to other controllers (each on 
>> their
>> own link ports) a multiple repeater linked network can be created.
>>
>> Each node has DTMF commands that it can do. Generally, there is some
>> standard for the repeater functions on each node, and therefore some
>> standard form (digit-wise) for these commands.
>>
>> There is also provided some form of being able to command a node (not
>> your local repeater, but another one on the link) that, by its very nature
>> differs from the commands for local node use (non-conflicting digit
>> sequences, etc).
>>
>> One common example of this is to start local commands with an asterisk (*).
>> Remote node commands start with a pound (#) plus the node number. Say, for
>> example, you wanted to ask you local system what time it is. You might enter
>> *98 on your local repeater, but to ask another node (in this example node 
>> 123),
>> you might enter (#12398). This is a practical example of local/distant 
>> control
>> differentiation, since by convention, all local commands start with (*) and
>> all link (distant) commands start with (#).
>>
>> >From a technical standpoint, its also an easy an practical way to implement
>> controllers and links. A link port has a DTMF receiver listening for its
>> 'addressing' code (like #123, in the example above). When it hears it, it
>> listens for the rest of the command, and does the appropriate thing. All 
>> link
>> ports have a DTMF receiver listening to the same audio (well, they're linked
>> together, of course), but only the proper one reacts (based upon the prefix
>> code).
>>
>> When you have a fixed link (and often single path link) system, this is an
>> excellent and time-proven design. Many, if not all of the amateur repeater
>> controllers are currently based on this type of archetecture.
>>
>> App_rpt (Allstar, etc) definitely walks to the beat of a different drummer.
>>
>> First of all, there are no 'hard' or 'permanent' links. Since the linking
>> media is TCP/IP, thus allowing connections from basically anywhere to 
>> anywhere,
>> links are completey dynamic and at will. Any node can theoretically be 
>> connected
>> to any node in any fashion. Several sets of links (not connected to each 
>> other)
>> may be operating at any given time. Yes, the software does support the 
>> concept
>> of 'establish a link and keep putting back up if it goes down'; Even these
>> are 'soft' links. Additionally, since the link media is TCP/IP, out-of-band
>> data may be sent between link endpoints, thus eliminating the need (or even 
>> the
>> desire, for that matter) for in-band (such as DTMF) signalling between link
>> endpoints.
>>
>> There are 2 very serious archetectural differences between app_rpt and
>> a 'conventional' system.
>>
>> The first one is that all system endpoints including
>> repeaters, remote bases, and alien system interfaces, are separate nodes 
>> (and have separate
>> node numbers assigned to them). Normally, a remote base is part of a repater
>> system. Not here. A remote base is a separate independent entity.
>>
>> The second one is that you have to essentially 'speak' to a remote node to 
>> give
>> it commands. Unlike a conventional system where all of the link entities are
>>
>> on
>> a common talk path, and all have DTMF receivers decoding all of your digits,
>> you have to put your local system into remote command mode (to a particular 
>> node),
>> then all the DTMF you send will go to the remote node, rather then being 
>> interpreted
>> by the local system. Thats now app_rpt performs differentiation between 
>> local and
>> remote commands. All app_rpt commands begin with (*) asterisk. The (#) pound
>> is used to exit things, like for example to exit command mode. Obvoiusly, 
>> since
>> all commands start with (*) and cant contain (#), when youre in local 
>> command mode
>> it knows what to send to the remote, and when youre done with it.
>>
>> So, whether you are controlling another repeater, a remote base, or an alien
>>
>> network,
>> you have to invoke command mode to the node that you are intending to 
>> control.
>>
>> Interface from app_rpt to an alien network is accomplished via a node 
>> configured as
>> a repeater in duplex mode 0, and the propagate_dtmf and linktolink options 
>> both
>> enabled.
>>
>> Clearly there exists a very serious incompability in the concepts of DTMF 
>> command
>> format and archetecture.
>>
>> First of all, the app_rpt needs to respond as if it were another link node, 
>> listening for
>> its prefix code, then acting appropriately. This can be accomplished with 
>> the inxlat
>> configuration directive. First, there needs to be a sequence, which is to be
>>
>> 'turned into'
>> a (*) as far as the app_rpt is conerned, and also one that is to be 'turned 
>> into'
>> a (#) as far as the app_rpt is concerned (you cant use a real * or # since 
>> so many
>> of the alien's commands have these characters in them). So, you assign it a 
>> node number,
>> say 456. So the sequence 4561 can represent *, and the 4562 can represent # 
>> ( or you can
>> assign 2 different prefixes, like 456 and 457 if you want it to be 1 digit 
>> less), but in
>> any case you put in something like :  inxlat = #456,#457,0123456789ABCD
>> That would mean: #456 is like (*), #457 is like (#), and just pass any of 
>> the listed digits
>> in the 3rd arg, if they are not part of a command.
>>
>> Now that we have that settled, the app_rpt node needs to send commands to 
>> the rest of
>> the link as if it were one of them, meaning prefixed commands. As we already
>>
>> know,
>> the normal (app_rpt) commands on the node that is connected to the alien 
>> system start
>> with (*) and cant contain (#) (thats how we do it in app_rpt). so we need to
>>
>> be able
>> to 'create' a way to send a (*) and (#) out the node. So we use outxlat, as 
>> follows:
>> outxlat = *7,*0,0123456789#ABCD
>> This means that *7 get sent out to the alien system as a (*), *0 gets sent 
>> out as a (#),
>> and pass any of the digits listed in the 3rd arg if not part of a local 
>> command.
>>
>> So, say the ailen system was on allstar node 123. We then want to command 
>> the alien's
>> node 765 to do a *98 (like give us its local time).
>>
>> On your local node you might enter:
>>
>> *4123 (to put you into command node on 123, which is the alien system)
>> *076598 (to do the same as if you were entering #76598 on the alien system 
>> directly on one
>>          of its repeaters)
>> #  (to exit command mode on your local node)
>>
>> These two pieces of translation allow the systems to communicate with each 
>> other
>> very nicely and with minimum hassle and/or discomfort for users of either 
>> system
>> type.
>>
>>
>> JIM - WB6NIL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Will <w4wwm at knology.net>
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>>>  >>Are you are trying to send DTMF from the asterisk system to the
>>> Controller B?
>>>
>>> Yes,  I need to send DTFM  to controller B.  Asterisk is on controller B
>>> wired the repeater port as of the few last e-mail post.  On controller B
>>> there are 3 link ports, port 1 is 2 meters, port 2 is IRLP(node4516) and
>>> port 3 is the half duplex link (hard wired} to Controller A.  If
>>> possible I would like Asterisk to send DTMF to control the links.  I
>>> would also have the IRLP program to send DTMF tones back to Asterisk for
>>> linkup to any Asterisk nodes, via from Controller A
>>>
>>> Controller A is bridged or Hardwired by way of port 3 to Controller B
>>> port 3. One side of my controls will be coming from Controller A to
>>> Controller B and the other from B to C
>>>
>>>  Anyway if you like you can give me a call on my IRLP node 4516 any
>>> time. Thanks
>>>
>>> Will / W4wwm
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