[App_rpt] App_rpt Digest, Vol 26, Issue 1

Nevada Amateur Radio Repeaters, Inc. w7aor at narri.org
Mon Apr 14 17:08:42 EDT 2008


Thanks to Jim and Stephen for the All Star session at the 2008 VoIP
Conference held in Las Vegas this past Saturday.  I think we can expect
several more nodes to follow.

Kent W7AOR  
www.narri.org 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Thanks and Questions (marshall at cal-net.org)
   2. Test message (Stephen Rodgers)
   3. Test message (Stephen Rodgers)
   4. Re: SVN Checkout of New app_rpt, howto? (Steve Totaro)
   5. Re: Just Placed an order with DMK Engineering (Steve Totaro)
   6. Getting New app_rpt in Asterisk Trunk (Steve Totaro)
   7. audio setup issues with USB FOBs (Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE)
   8. Re: audio setup issues with USB FOBs (Steven Henke)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: marshall at cal-net.org
Subject: [App_rpt] Thanks and Questions
To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net
Message-ID: <1736.67.127.110.155.1205422892.squirrel at mail.cal-net.org>
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Greetings,

First off, I wanted to thank everyone for such a great system that you
guys have put together. It just blows me away how much work has been put
into this project.  From the install scripts for the OS and software to
the tuning software for levels and signals on the USB FOB.  I was amazed
at how good the tuning scripts worked when I went through the radio tuning
setup.  All I can say is "Unbelievable!" <GRIN>

I have a few questions, the first regarding the usbradio.conf file and one
of the configuration settings in that file.

I see this explanation in the usbradio.conf.sample file.

eeprom=1            ; 1 = Indicates that an EEPROM internal to the radio

I see this setting in my usbradio.conf file.

eeprom=0            ; unless you have a cable w/eeprom

Is this talking about the URI FOB with the eeprom in it?
Just got done with my install tonight and am using the URI FOB, should I
change this setting from a 0 to a 1? Or is this setting for something
else?

Also, when you get done doing the radio tuning procedure as documented by
Steve Henke in "The Asterisk with app_rpt Server Installation Process"
(page 7), and you save the configuration by using the CLI command "radio
tune save" , where does that file get saved to? The eeprom on the URI FOB?
 Or somewhere else?  Just wondering.

Thanks, for your help.

Node 2067 is online and working great with the URI FOB and a Motorola M120
radio.

I am having fun and learning.

Marshall - ke6pcv




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:24:03 -0700
From: Stephen Rodgers <hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
Subject: [App_rpt] Test message
To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net.
Message-ID: <47D9D3B3.3050101 at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

This is a test


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:34:06 -0700
From: Stephen Rodgers <hwstar at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
Subject: [App_rpt] Test message
To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net.
Message-ID: <47DA8CDE.7050904 at rodgers.sdcoxmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Test message


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:11:55 -0400
From: "Steve Totaro" <stotaro at totarotechnologies.com>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt] SVN Checkout of New app_rpt, howto?
To: "Asterisk Repeater Controler" <app_rpt at lists.illiana.net>
Message-ID:
	<ea18e54a0803180911h8e99bf2sb900c96d3aa80f08 at mail.gmail.com>
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Steven (and list),

Is there no way to make the new app_rpt work without using the ISO
(for the new URI)?

I understand that the ISO is the path of least resistance but there
are some very serious security issues with FreePBX and who knows with
a 3rd party customized ISO?

I can post some known and working FreePBX exploits but I prefer to not
make it that easy.

My box is going to be on a routable IP (public) and I would prefer to
have my own kernel, distro, no-FreePBX, and other security measures.
In other words I want to lock it down as much as possible.

Any advice?  I don't really understand why I cannot just SVN co
app_rpt and compile on an existing asterisk box.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Steven Henke <steve.w9sh at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Contact me at w9sh at arrl.net and I'll get in touch with you and take you
> through the installation process.
> 73,
> Steve Henke
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Steve Totaro
> <stotaro at totarotechnologies.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to checkout the newest trunk of app_rpt (I think this is
> > the only source with the URI drivers?)
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?
> >
> > [root at localhost src]# svn co
> > https://www.xelatec.com/viewvc/app_rpt/asterisk/trunk app_rpt
> > svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/viewvc/app_rpt/asterisk/trunk'
> > svn: PROPFIND of '/viewvc/app_rpt/asterisk/trunk': 302 Found
> > (https://www.xelatec.com)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve Totaro
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:14:41 -0400
From: "Steve Totaro" <stotaro at totarotechnologies.com>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Just Placed an order with DMK Engineering
To: "Asterisk Repeater Controler" <app_rpt at lists.illiana.net>
Message-ID:
	<ea18e54a0803250914t3d1f2d95n697fa571e02bec32 at mail.gmail.com>
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Just an update, a few days after receiving the URI, I got a second
smaller package with the USB cables.  I was impressed, most vendors
cut costs buy not providing USB cables (I hate that).  Another thumbs
up for DMK.

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Steve Totaro
<stotaro at totarotechnologies.com> wrote:
> Just to give an update, I received my three URIs last Friday.  The
>  packaging was great (and I even got a page from the LA Times ;-)
>
>  The units are very well made and the labeling complete with pinout is
>  brilliant!  No docs to lose or lookup.  Overall, I am very impressed
>  with DMK (communication needs improvement as I said earlier) but I am
>  very happy at this point.
>
>  Now to get these units into production.  I will followup with more
>  details in a new post.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Steve Totaro
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Steve Totaro
>  <stotaro at totarotechnologies.com> wrote:
>  > Thanks for giving me an update.  I suggest you use some form of
>  >  automation to keep your customers in the loop.  I am pretty sure USPS
>  >  does this as it is the norm for online stores and even small time Ebay
>  >  shops (USPS, FedEx, UPS, DHL, Airbourne....)
>  >
>  >  I appreciate the work you put in and as well as Dingotel, because
>  >  without copying Dingotel, this product would most likely not be
>  >  invented yet.  (Sure hope they don't have a patent on it but they
>  >  probably do or it was assigned to some other company because
>  >  www.dingotel.com appears to be gone, well that is an totally different
>  >  issue...)
>  >
>  >  Thanks again, I will give feedback on the list ASAP
>  >  Steve Totaro
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:39 PM, David Kramer <dkramer at dmkeng.com>
wrote:
>  >  > Hi Steve,
>  >  >
>  >  >  Your order for 3 URI's shipped yesterday via insured USPS Priority
Mail.  In
>  >  >  the future we will try to do a better job of sending out
confirmation
>  >  >  emails.  Thank you for the suggestion.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Regarding your comment about ~$10 modified FOBs...  if you can use
one of
>  >  >  these I encourage you to do so.  It will certainly save you money.
You
>  >  >  should know the differences however between those devices and URI.
>  >  >
>  >  >  First of all, the FOBs are made in gazillion quantities which helps
drive
>  >  >  the cost down.  We built an initial batch of 100 URIs so we don't
have quite
>  >  >  the same magnitude scale.  Secondly, the cheapo FOBs consist of a
sound
>  >  >  chip, a plastic housing, connectors and not much else.  In order to
make it
>  >  >  work with Asterisk/app_rpt you have to attach a few components to
some very
>  >  >  tiny surface mount pins, something not easy to do.  Here is what
URI
>  >  >  provides that you don't get with the FOBs:
>  >  >
>  >  >  RF filtering on all I/Os
>  >  >  3-pole high-fidelity low-pass active filters on both audio outputs
with
>  >  >  connections for AC or DC coupling
>  >  >  Optional high output drive capability 2X gain amplifier
>  >  >  AC and DC coupled options for audio in
>  >  >  Provisions for connector-mounted EEPROM intended for storing
configuration
>  >  >  data
>  >  >  Circuitry for PTT, CTCSS, and COR connections
>  >  >  3 user programmable I/Os
>  >  >  RoHS compliant product
>  >  >  USB cable
>  >  >
>  >  >  In 100 piece quantities, the components alone cost more than twice
what a
>  >  >  single USB audio FOB costs from geeks.com.  That doesn't include
the bare PC
>  >  >  board, component assembly labor, housing, machining, final
assembly, and
>  >  >  test.  Each URI must pass an extensive array of tests.  If one of
the filter
>  >  >  capacitors is just slightly out of tolerance the unit is rejected.
>  >  >
>  >  >  When all is said and done DMK makes only a few dollars profit on
each URI
>  >  >  sold.  This also does not take into account the initial product
design and
>  >  >  development, first revision beta units that were given away for
evaluation,
>  >  >  or any of the setup and tooling charges that were incurred.
>  >  >
>  >  >  I state this not to garner sympathy, but to let you know that we
offer URIs
>  >  >  to the amateur community at a price that benefits the community far
more
>  >  >  than it enriches us.  I wish you success with your project.
>  >  >
>  >  >  David Kramer
>  >  >  DMK Engineering Inc.
>  >  >  310-544-1222
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  >  From: app_rpt-bounces at lists.illiana.net
>  >  >  [mailto:app_rpt-bounces at lists.illiana.net]On Behalf Of Steve Totaro
>  >  >  Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:49 AM
>  >  >  To: Asterisk Repeater Controler
>  >  >  Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Just Placed an order with DMK Engineering
>  >  >
>  >  >  My question is how long does it take to ship and arrive?  Are these
>  >  >  things made to order?  (on the slow boat from China).  Seems like I
>  >  >  have been waiting too long and absolutely no communication.
>  >  >
>  >  >  I ordered three on March 3rd.  The only email I got was a receipt
from
>  >  >  PayPal.  No order confirmation or shipping information.
>  >  >
>  >  >  For paying $14.95 for shipping I would expect UPS 3day or grounds
and
>  >  >  a tracking number the same or next day of the order.
>  >  >
>  >  >  $209.85 for 3x ~$10 modified FOBs, there enough markup room for a
>  >  >  little customer support I think.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Payment Details
>  >  >  Item Price:             $209.85 USD
>  >  >  Total:          $224.80 USD
>  >  >  Buyer:          steve totaro
>  >  >
>  >  >  Thanks,
>  >  >  Steve Totaro
>  >  >
>  >  >  On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Nevada Amateur Radio Repeaters,
Inc.
>  >  >  <w7aor at narri.org> wrote:
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  > Just Placed an order with DMK Engineering. Where are instructions
found?
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:05:16 -0400
From: "Steve Totaro" <stotaro at totarotechnologies.com>
Subject: [App_rpt] Getting New app_rpt in Asterisk Trunk
To: "Asterisk Repeater Controler" <app_rpt at lists.illiana.net>
Message-ID:
	<ea18e54a0804051105t5a39de41x2bf158c4501bc1b0 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Is there a reason why the new app_rpt (with URI support) is not being
merged with Digium's trunk?  Maybe asteriskadd-ons if there are
licensing issues?

BTW, thanks for fixing the SVN checkout so the source can be obtained
without hacking the upgrade scripts.

Off Topic, but is there a cheap db25 to db25 that allows pinouts to be
changed by either opening the unit and screwing down wires or
something else.  I found one for like $50 which is way too much but it
allows you to just use jumper wires on the outside of the unit and
then there is a plastic cover that goes over the connections.

I want something sturdy and good semi-outdoor use (shack)

Thanks,
Steve Totaro
KB3OPB


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:41:43 -0400
From: "Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE" <wa4zlw at backwoodswireless.net>
Subject: [App_rpt] audio setup issues with USB FOBs
To: app_rpt at lists.illiana.net
Message-ID: <47FE5157.9090105 at backwoodswireless.net>
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Hi there?

We purchased a few of the DMK USB FOBs awhile back after homebrewing a few.

When I was down in Virginia at company HQ last month, I spent a few 
nights trying to make this work to no avail. We have an old IFR service 
monitor which I was using to generate tones and such. We?re using an 
Icom commercial repeater IC-FR3000/4000. The Icom has no internal 
controls for rx or txaudio that I can find (documentation is very slim).

Basically, rxtune doesn't want to work with the audio coming off the 
Icom repeater discriminator. I did not try deemphasized audio as I want 
to keep everything flat. In looking through some of the old posts we are 
seeing similar results whereby rxtune doesn?t see anything.

But oddly enough, if I used the HT to generate DTMF tones, the * box 
would detect them. The transmitted audio I could not get more than 2 or 
2.5 kHz deviation with the audio coming out of the * box.

As a side note, when we were using the homebrew USB FOBs we had louder 
digitally generated audio (didn?t have the service monitor then) than 
repeated audio.

Got any ideas to try?

Thanks leon wa4zlw



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:25:39 -0400
From: "Steven Henke" <steve.w9sh at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt] audio setup issues with USB FOBs
To: wa4zlw at arrl.net, "Asterisk Repeater Controler"
	<app_rpt at lists.illiana.net>
Message-ID:
	<e2ed85230804101825v52873c77ta4f5c74f37708383 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Leon,

Sounds like the flat output may be flat but only through 3 KHz and not up to
10 KHz where the noise is for carrier squelch.

The way to figure this out is to sample the audio through the USB adapter
into a utility like Audacity and use its FFT to see what the noise spectrum
looks like.
I'd be glad to help you do this by logging in, capturing the signal and
transfering to my lab for analysis.  I can take the results and come up with
a configuration setting that will work for you.

Just let me know what you want to do.

73,
Steve Henke, W9SH


On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE <
wa4zlw at backwoodswireless.net> wrote:

> Hi there?
>
> We purchased a few of the DMK USB FOBs awhile back after homebrewing a
> few.
>
> When I was down in Virginia at company HQ last month, I spent a few
> nights trying to make this work to no avail. We have an old IFR service
> monitor which I was using to generate tones and such. We're using an
> Icom commercial repeater IC-FR3000/4000. The Icom has no internal
> controls for rx or txaudio that I can find (documentation is very slim).
>
> Basically, rxtune doesn't want to work with the audio coming off the
> Icom repeater discriminator. I did not try deemphasized audio as I want
> to keep everything flat. In looking through some of the old posts we are
> seeing similar results whereby rxtune doesn't see anything.
>
> But oddly enough, if I used the HT to generate DTMF tones, the * box
> would detect them. The transmitted audio I could not get more than 2 or
> 2.5 kHz deviation with the audio coming out of the * box.
>
> As a side note, when we were using the homebrew USB FOBs we had louder
> digitally generated audio (didn't have the service monitor then) than
> repeated audio.
>
> Got any ideas to try?
>
> Thanks leon wa4zlw
>
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