[App_rpt-users] Fwd: Re: Some information, from my brain...

Shane Morris edgecomberts at gmail.com
Mon Dec 3 20:05:09 EST 2012

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From: "Shane Morris" <edgecomberts at gmail.com>
Date: 04/12/2012 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Some information, from my brain...
To: "Ken" <ke2n at cs.com>

I thought so, meaning those issues with Zaptel mean I cannot use app_rpt on
ARM right now.
On 04/12/2012 6:38 AM, "Ken" <ke2n at cs.com> wrote:

>  It has been posted several times here, and it is on the ohnosec site,
> that app-rpt is based on Asterisk 1.4 and not the latest release of
> Asterisk(1.8).
>  Ken
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Morris <edgecomberts at gmail.com>
> To: Matthew Pitts <n8ohu at yahoo.com>
> Cc: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org>
> Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 1:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Some information, from my brain...
> Hi Matthew,
> It appears that support for app_rpt was dropped in the mainline from
> the SVN version on onnosec, and the present version. I know what
> you're thinking - I thought it too, compile up the latest sources,
> and... it don't work. Working with that, I attempted to compile the
> version of Asterisk on the SVN, with the app_rpt and chan_voter
> modules - and ran into these issues.
> I could be wrong, but I am pretty certain the latest Asterisk doesn't
> support app_rpt. Ergo, I did a "make menuselect" and no option
> existed. That was sorely disappointing.
> Matthew, I hope I'm wrong...! =)
> Thanks!
> Shane.
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Matthew Pitts <n8ohu at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Shane,
> >
> > I will have to double check, but I could swear I saw Asterisk listed as one of
> the available packages for Raspian Linux on the Raspberry Pi; if that is indeed
> the case, I would.think it would be possible to figure out what they did and
> code something that will enable the use of APP_RPT on the Pi.
> >
> > Matthew Pitts
> > N8OHU
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [App_rpt-users] Some information, from my brain...
> > From: Shane Morris <edgecomberts at gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 03-Dec-2012 05:03
> > To: app_rpt mailing list <app_rpt-users at ohnosec.org>
> > CC:
> >
> > I wrote two emails today, one dealing with the subject of the use of
> > ARM platforms for app_rpt/ chan_voter software, and one dealing with
> > the audio capabilities of modern laptops, particularly Macbook Airs.
> > The intent follows:
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> > So after alot of wrangling, I've found out something:
> >
> > DAHDI and Zaptel support on ARM Linux kernels version 3.0 and above
> > just doesn't happen. I personally believe this is because most ARM
> > systems lack a PCI slot of any description, and pretty much will
> > forever lack PCI slots (the last ARM I heard of that had PCI was the
> > Ionynx PC from the UK, running RiSC OS - oops?). Now this doesn't give
> > Digium an incentive to code up some support for non-existant hardware,
> > under the pretense that app_rpt and chan_voter needs tonezone and a
> > handful of other elements from Zaptel (or DAHDI), does it? Which means
> > you effectively cannot, for the foreseeable future, use an ARM
> > platform as the controller for a PMR network.
> >
> > That means that, for the first time in five years, I'm considering
> > buying an x86 platform. Huh, you say, this is Shane we're talking
> > about here, he don't do x86! Unless a certain set of conditions are
> > met, no, I don't...
> >
> > Meet the Fit PC-3. You might know it, or the Fit PC-2. I admit to
> > knowing the Fit PC-2 quite well. A nice piece of gear. What I didn't
> > know was they updated to an AMD APU based system, and qualified the
> > PC-3 for use with Linux Mint. Uh huh, headless Ubuntu, here I come!
> > And this little, fanless, 17Watt total draw bad boy will run all of
> > the usual suspects in a PMR network that you may so desire...
> >
> > Which is what I desire. ARM can be such a pain in the ass sometimes...
> >
> > This system, with 4GB of RAM, no HDD, and postage from Israel (I don't
> > think it'll get here before Christmas, but thanks for asking), is the
> > princely sum of $485, max, including Paypal "tax." We pay the nobles a
> > damn stiff fee for civilisation, don't we? I have a 40GB SSD here,
> > just about ready to go. I also have some 12VDC gear, ready for this
> > little thing to strut its stuff.
> >
> > As I want it to run headless, I'll probably get it to talk SSH
> > ("Shhhhhh!") to the outside world, but I do have a 12VDC compatible 15
> > inch DVI monitor, with HDMi to DVI cable. Yes, yes, it uses cold
> > cathodes... gah, its so hard to get good help these days. I don't
> > actually have to have the monitor on for an entire weekend, only when
> > things hit fans in interesting, intersecting ways they're not supposed
> > to. If that happens, and I can't log into my PMR controller, I think
> > the network is pretty much toast by that point.
> >
> > I don't believe I'd need a failover, I remember reading something
> > along the lines of underclocking will occur until such time as a heat
> > issue can resolve itself, the thing, with SSD, has no moving parts (no
> > pesky fans to fail!) and as long as you don't hook the power up
> > backwards, this thing is pretty much unkillable. Dual core APU at
> > 1.0GHz, as mentioned, 4GB RAM, 40GB SSD. Running a nice, recent
> > revision of something that can operate in console/ SSH mode. I don't
> > want an X server to slow me down. This thing is a PMR controller, not
> > a Facebookin' machine.
> >
> > So, I've solved all my problems with ARM platforms in one fell swoop.
> > This is good you say, I'm finally making progress. Lucky I found out
> > with the RPi about the DAHDI/ Zaptel driver situation, and of course,
> > the existence of the Radio Thin Client Module as well (thanks Jim! I
> > owe you a tall, cold beer one day!). The RTCM is the basis for
> > VoterCard, the PMR full transmit simulcast controller for Simoco
> > radios.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> > For use of a laptop system with IAXRpt, one finds that most laptops
> > audio systems are inadequate, especially in the high noise, and high
> > tension area of a command centre. The Macbook Air is further
> > disadvantaged by the fact it has no microphone port, simply an inbuilt
> > microphone which is prone to picking up alot of noise, and in a
> > command situation, broadcasting four operators voices over one channel
> > is a recipe for failure, and yes, even danger...
> >
> > However after all the work I had invested into getting IAXRpt running
> > on my MBA, I felt it appropriate to address what I see as Apples total
> > shortcomings in the audio department. Before I go on to explain how I
> > addressed these issues, I will elaborate - the running of the Windows
> > application IAXRpt under Mac OS X is simple, using a version of WiNE
> > for Mac OS X. The particular wrapper software I use is called
> > WineBottler. However, I could not use the stock "for OS X 10.6"
> > revision software, as it did not support audio in any way, shape or
> > form. I actually had to download WineBottler, with 10.6 core, and
> > replace the core with 10.7 audio enabled core. As far as I know, the
> > 10.7 core WILL NOT run on anything less than 10.7. Of course, I don't
> > have anything to try now, do I?
> >
> > So, a quick look on eBay located a USB sound card, with advertised Mac
> > OS X capabilities - have you ever tried putting a Winmodem into a Mac
> > G4? =P This was mine for under the $5 mark. Similarly, another quick
> > search turned up a headset appropriate for the USB sound card with
> > singular headphone and boom mic, as well as separate plugs for the
> > audio paths. Compatibility was assured - but I just had to TEST it!
> >
> > Today I got the sound card after about a month of waiting. After
> > inserting the USB card, I looked through the sound settings - "Generic
> > USB Sound Device" came up, and the connection type was "USB" (versus
> > "Built In"). After setting the appropriate settings, I took a deep
> > breath, and started "Above the Storm" by Alpine Fault in iTunes...
> >
> > Success!
> >
> > I was listening to those strums, explained to me as being similar to
> > those of Nightwish, through my headphone! Noise and auditory
> > interference would now be minimised. But what about sending audio?
> > Would the mic work too?
> >
> > Opening GarageBand, I quickly selected "Voice" and made a recording.
> > My nasally voice popped out of the headphone. I was satisfied that the
> > Mac would work. Now the real test: would WiNE (and thus, IAXRpt) work?
> >
> > I am unable to test sending audio, although the error tone came out
> > loud and clear from IAXRpt. It appeared I wouldn't have to change any
> > settings on the IAXRpt (Windows) side like I was expecting - it must
> > be transparent to the Windows software where the audio is actually
> > COMING from or GOING to... gotta love that old Mac reliability to just
> > bloody well work...!
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> > Hopefully this helps anyone in my position, and updates you all on the
> > progress of the RPi project. It is a little unfortunate, but I have
> > found out alot along the way - Jim, I do owe you that beer for
> > pointing out the RTCM to me. And if you have any news concerning the
> > status of the ARM drivers, I'm all ears...
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