[App_rpt-users] Voter Question

Corey Dean n3fe at repeater.net
Mon Apr 22 11:02:23 EDT 2013



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OK,

I have been trying to follow this thread for a bit now.

The documentation is good. But the question still remains...


1.      Can you use ACID or XIPAR (assuming current builds) to do voting without using an RTCM?

You can using Xiapr.  That is what I am currently using.

2. IF you can, What are the settings required to do this?
      A. on the RX only site.
      B. on the TX Site.

                http://www.xelatec.com/xipar/simplevoter

3. Can the TX site be used as a RX site as well? 1 URI or modded cm108 fob or is 2 required ?

            Only 1 is needed.  Here is the rpt.conf file settings for the repeater side

votertype=1                ; 0=default, no voting, 1=voter repeater, 2=voter receiver
votermode=2                ; 0=default, no voting, 1=voter one-shot, 2=voter continuous
votermargin=50             ; 10=default sets signal margin to vote a new winner

You also need to define it as a node like this on the server.
5001 = radio at 192.168.1.189:4561/5001,NONE,VOTE


Here is the repeater and client side urd.conf file.
sendvoter=1        ; 0=default, no voter rssi, 1=enable voter rssi



4. Is GPS absolutely necessary, can we use network timing in place of GPS?

            No gps is required using XIPAR.  When it voter you might here a missed or gained syllable depending on which way it votes.  It is dependent on internet latency.  Using it on something with a ping less than 25 ms it is very hard to detect.  I have one that on a different netowork with a 50 -70 ms delay and you can hear it switch but mose users won't even notice.

Has anyone done this set up yet?

Using it on Zipar since it was implemented.

RTCMs are our of  our price range right now.

That was my issue.

Corey  N3FE




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On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Scott Weis <kb2ear at kb2ear.net<mailto:kb2ear at kb2ear.net>> wrote:
For ACID to do voting you NEED at least 2 RTCMs and 2 GPS receivers and one
computer running ACID.  The RTCMs send RX audio RSSI and GPS timing data
back to computer which compares the RSSI levels and picks the best one and
sends it to the transmitter.

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I think you are missing what i am getting at.  He will NOT be using rtcm at
all.  That is why I ask about setting up a computer running acid as the
receive site.  I need to know what to configure on the pc since we aren't
using an rtcm.  I doubt the pc will know what the server ants without
configuring something on it.

Corey N3FE

On Apr 20, 2013, at 11:21 AM, "Tim Sawyer" <tim.sawyer at me.com<mailto:tim.sawyer at me.com>> wrote:

> Those changes are on the server. The client (the RTCM) has no config
files, all settings are done through a menu.
>
> The one line in rpt.conf that changes is:
>
> rxchannel = Voter/1234                  ; Voter node 1234
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> Tim
> :wq
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> On Apr 20, 2013, at 6:47 AM, Corey Dean <n3fe at repeater.net<mailto:n3fe at repeater.net>> wrote:
>
>> I am assuming the changes you mention below are for the client (voter)
side of things.  Where do I find the server side setup?  I will still need
to know the one line change in rpt.conf.
>>
>> Corey N3FE
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>> Yes, ACID is the distro that is used with RTCM voting. The difference
between a URI and a RTCM set up is minimal. Only one line in rpt.conf needs
to be changed.  One file, voter.conf is added to the ACID config. That's the
entire difference. There is an example voter.conf here:
http://ohnosec.org/drupal/node/180. Complete RTCM documentation is available
from the micro-node site here:
MailScanner warning: numerical links are often malicious: http://206.212.254.21/unode_docs/rtcm_%20manual.pdf<http://206.212.254.21/unode_docs/rtcm_%20manual.pdf>
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>> --
>> Tim
>> :wq
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Corey Dean <n3fe at repeater.net<mailto:n3fe at repeater.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully this will change the subject at hand...
>>>
>>> I was reading about the acid voters and had a question or more.
>>>
>>> I currently run the voting in Zipar so I am not familiar with the way
the voter works in the ACID distro.  I am trying to understand a few thing
in ACID to help a friend.  I have seen the rtcm that will act as a voting
interface as well as the voting card.  Can a regular acid install on a
computer be used as a voter as well?  If so is their any documentation for
this?  I know a GPS could be connected up to the computer and a radio with
true discriminator audio should do the job.  I am just curious if the
computer with the ACID distro can also be used as a voter with the right
configuration.
>>>
>>> Corey  N3FE
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