[App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet

Doug Kingston dpk at randomnotes.org
Mon Apr 17 11:17:44 EDT 2017


I see 2 significant use cases:

1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node
In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and there
is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in.
Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the
Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java
traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the
public node.  Its possible the central node provides credentials to the
java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively.

2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node
This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where people
want to use an app like iaxrpt.  They need to receive credentials from the
node operator before using the node.

I think this is a summary of the basic modes.  The reason we need some form
of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar
nodes and initiating transmissions.  It would be nice to take the central
node out of the normal path except for the authentication process.

-Doug-, KD7DK


On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Interesting so all it is is IAX traffic between the webpage and asterisk??
> How does it verify the pass code etc?? I take it their must be a main frame
> asterisk node setup some where that handles this iax traffic.. I didn't
> realize this!! I agree a application for the platforms would be nice like
> windows phone and android along with iphone.. I still don't understand why
> people use iphones but thats my personal preference i guess.. Anyway how
> hard would it be to take the iaxrpt that you created and port it to
> iphone?? How hard would it be to take the iaxrpt and make it connect just
> like the transceiver did?? Just wondering it might be some thing to think
> about for future development but i still think we should have a pc based
> way to communicate like a web browser based client.. You just never know
> how that might come in handy some day when handling large amounts of
> traffic..
>
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> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Loren,
>> You missed my comment about one size fits all. A app written for a mobile
>> device will take advantage of options not available to a web interface. It
>> is far better to use a app written for the platform. For the web platform
>> HTML5 may be a good choice. The Web Transceiver talks to the ASL network
>> via IAX.
>>
>> 73, Steve N4IRS
>>
>> On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Loren Tedford wrote:
>>
>> Steve I still like the idea that we are at least talking about fixing the
>> Web Transceiver if i knew a little more about it maybe we could figure out
>> how to make the web transceiver work in html mostly instead of java.. If
>> this can be done this will mean its comparable via any mobile web browser
>> out on the market today..  All the user would have to do is login to the
>> website etc.. So exactly how does the web transceiver talk to the
>> allstarlink network??? What exactly is going on in the back end of things??
>>
>> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked at to evaluate if
>>> and how it can be moved forward.  A one size fits all solution will not
>>> adequately work on all platforms. Support for mobile devices is a must. As
>>> of right now for access to specific nodes the choices are Zopier and
>>> Android IAXRPT. Zopier runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course
>>> runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes. The Web Transceiver
>>> is more general.
>>>
>>> 73, Steve N4IRS
>>>
>>> On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry Pi, but look at what
>>> Hams have done with it, in its various forms. AllStar nodes, whether DIAL
>>> or the distribution Doug helped develop. Multi-mode Digital Voice nodes
>>> using various interface devices like the MMDVM or DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA.
>>> Echolink/IRLP nodes. If we really want to get the attention of teens and
>>> twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to adapt our tactics to the way
>>> they live; how often do you see one without a smartphone somewhere on their
>>> person? Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered too) that supports
>>> the features of the current Web Transceiver and you'll have a tool that
>>> everyone can use and still have the browser free for other things.
>>>
>>> Matthew Pitts
>>> N8OHU
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>> On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman <n7jct at aplaceonthe.net>
>>> <n7jct at aplaceonthe.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug would have little or no
>>>> need for the web transceiver.  Most of us on this list won't have use for
>>>> it.  Anyone who's come so far as to building their own node and subscribing
>>>> to this list has likely exceeded what that web transceiver could do for
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Consider however that there is a different market, a different audience
>>>> for a web transceiver.  I know that I'm not the only one who got involved
>>>> in this through exploration with the web transceiver.
>>>>
>>>> So I think there is benefit in having such a simple tool.  It can be,
>>>> if it works well and is designed properly, a great tool for someone to take
>>>> that first step in finding out what all this is about.
>>>>
>>>> Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi.  Getting kids into
>>>> programming and using these devices to do things, control things and such.
>>>> Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the attention of that same audience.
>>>> App_rpt and Allstarlink are great for that.  But this audience doesn't come
>>>> to us with anything more than a very basic, novice background at first.  A
>>>> web transceiver seems like a handy tool for those new young hams to explore.
>>>>
>>>> There's my long winded $0.02
>>>> 73
>>>> Thor (N7JCT)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject:
>>>> Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com> <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Date:
>>>> 04/15/2017 01:24 PM
>>>>
>>>> To:
>>>> Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>> If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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