[App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet

Loren Tedford lorentedford at gmail.com
Mon Apr 17 11:24:26 EDT 2017


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I actually see several use cases for allowing a user to utilize this..

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On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Doug Kingston <dpk at randomnotes.org> wrote:

> I see 2 significant use cases:
>
> 1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node
> In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node and there
> is no account/password that the user knows that they can use to log in.
> Today in the Java applet, my understanding is, they authenticate to the
> Allstar central server with their Allstar username/password and the Java
> traffic is proxies through that central site is some way and on to the
> public node.  Its possible the central node provides credentials to the
> java applet and it connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively.
>
> 2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node
> This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes where people
> want to use an app like iaxrpt.  They need to receive credentials from the
> node operator before using the node.
>
> I think this is a summary of the basic modes.  The reason we need some
> form of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from accessing Allstar
> nodes and initiating transmissions.  It would be nice to take the central
> node out of the normal path except for the authentication process.
>
> -Doug-, KD7DK
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Loren Tedford <lorentedford at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting so all it is is IAX traffic between the webpage and
>> asterisk?? How does it verify the pass code etc?? I take it their must be a
>> main frame asterisk node setup some where that handles this iax traffic.. I
>> didn't realize this!! I agree a application for the platforms would be nice
>> like windows phone and android along with iphone.. I still don't understand
>> why people use iphones but thats my personal preference i guess.. Anyway
>> how hard would it be to take the iaxrpt that you created and port it to
>> iphone?? How hard would it be to take the iaxrpt and make it connect just
>> like the transceiver did?? Just wondering it might be some thing to think
>> about for future development but i still think we should have a pc based
>> way to communicate like a web browser based client.. You just never know
>> how that might come in handy some day when handling large amounts of
>> traffic..
>>
>> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Loren,
>>> You missed my comment about one size fits all. A app written for a
>>> mobile device will take advantage of options not available to a web
>>> interface. It is far better to use a app written for the platform. For the
>>> web platform HTML5 may be a good choice. The Web Transceiver talks to the
>>> ASL network via IAX.
>>>
>>> 73, Steve N4IRS
>>>
>>> On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Loren Tedford wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve I still like the idea that we are at least talking about fixing
>>> the Web Transceiver if i knew a little more about it maybe we could figure
>>> out how to make the web transceiver work in html mostly instead of java..
>>> If this can be done this will mean its comparable via any mobile web
>>> browser out on the market today..  All the user would have to do is login
>>> to the website etc.. So exactly how does the web transceiver talk to the
>>> allstarlink network??? What exactly is going on in the back end of things??
>>>
>>> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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>>> http://voipham.com
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve Zingman <szingman at msgstor.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked at to evaluate if
>>>> and how it can be moved forward.  A one size fits all solution will not
>>>> adequately work on all platforms. Support for mobile devices is a must. As
>>>> of right now for access to specific nodes the choices are Zopier and
>>>> Android IAXRPT. Zopier runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course
>>>> runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes. The Web Transceiver
>>>> is more general.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Steve N4IRS
>>>>
>>>> On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry Pi, but look at
>>>> what Hams have done with it, in its various forms. AllStar nodes, whether
>>>> DIAL or the distribution Doug helped develop. Multi-mode Digital Voice
>>>> nodes using various interface devices like the MMDVM or
>>>> DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA. Echolink/IRLP nodes. If we really want to get the
>>>> attention of teens and twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to adapt our
>>>> tactics to the way they live; how often do you see one without a smartphone
>>>> somewhere on their person? Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered
>>>> too) that supports the features of the current Web Transceiver and you'll
>>>> have a tool that everyone can use and still have the browser free for other
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> Matthew Pitts
>>>> N8OHU
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>
>>>> On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman <n7jct at aplaceonthe.net>
>>>> <n7jct at aplaceonthe.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug would have little or no
>>>>> need for the web transceiver.  Most of us on this list won't have use for
>>>>> it.  Anyone who's come so far as to building their own node and subscribing
>>>>> to this list has likely exceeded what that web transceiver could do for
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider however that there is a different market, a different
>>>>> audience for a web transceiver.  I know that I'm not the only one who got
>>>>> involved in this through exploration with the web transceiver.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I think there is benefit in having such a simple tool.  It can be,
>>>>> if it works well and is designed properly, a great tool for someone to take
>>>>> that first step in finding out what all this is about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider the target audience of the Raspberry Pi.  Getting kids into
>>>>> programming and using these devices to do things, control things and such.
>>>>> Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the attention of that same audience.
>>>>> App_rpt and Allstarlink are great for that.  But this audience doesn't come
>>>>> to us with anything more than a very basic, novice background at first.  A
>>>>> web transceiver seems like a handy tool for those new young hams to explore.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's my long winded $0.02
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Thor (N7JCT)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject:
>>>>> Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet
>>>>>
>>>>> From:
>>>>> Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com> <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date:
>>>>> 04/15/2017 01:24 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>>> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>>> If you must have the web transceiver there are ways around the problem
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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