[App_rpt-users] Alternative to WebTransceiver java applet

Steve Zingman szingman at msgstor.com
Mon Apr 17 11:31:19 EDT 2017


Let's slow it down a little. As of right now, a review of the existing 
java code is happening. We will see if and where it goes from there.

Steve

On 4/17/2017 11:24 AM, Loren Tedford wrote:
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>
> I actually see several use cases for allowing a user to utilize this..
>
> Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Doug Kingston <dpk at randomnotes.org 
> <mailto:dpk at randomnotes.org>> wrote:
>
>     I see 2 significant use cases:
>
>     1. User wants to connect to a public Allstar node
>     In this case, they don't have a prior relationship with the node
>     and there is no account/password that the user knows that they can
>     use to log in.  Today in the Java applet, my understanding is,
>     they authenticate to the Allstar central server with their Allstar
>     username/password and the Java traffic is proxies through that
>     central site is some way and on to the public node.  Its possible
>     the central node provides credentials to the java applet and it
>     connects directly, but Steve can say more definitively.
>
>     2. User has iaxrpt username/password credentials for a particular node
>     This is certainly true for private nodes and for public nodes
>     where people want to use an app like iaxrpt.  They need to receive
>     credentials from the node operator before using the node.
>
>     I think this is a summary of the basic modes.  The reason we need
>     some form of authentication is to prevent random non-hams from
>     accessing Allstar nodes and initiating transmissions.  It would be
>     nice to take the central node out of the normal path except for
>     the authentication process.
>
>     -Doug-, KD7DK
>
>
>     On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Loren Tedford
>     <lorentedford at gmail.com <mailto:lorentedford at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Interesting so all it is is IAX traffic between the webpage
>         and asterisk?? How does it verify the pass code etc?? I take
>         it their must be a main frame asterisk node setup some where
>         that handles this iax traffic.. I didn't realize this!! I
>         agree a application for the platforms would be nice like
>         windows phone and android along with iphone.. I still don't
>         understand why people use iphones but thats my personal
>         preference i guess.. Anyway how hard would it be to take the
>         iaxrpt that you created and port it to iphone?? How hard would
>         it be to take the iaxrpt and make it connect just like the
>         transceiver did?? Just wondering it might be some thing to
>         think about for future development but i still think we should
>         have a pc based way to communicate like a web browser based
>         client.. You just never know how that might come in handy some
>         day when handling large amounts of traffic..
>
>         Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
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>
>         On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Zingman
>         <szingman at msgstor.com <mailto:szingman at msgstor.com>> wrote:
>
>             Loren,
>             You missed my comment about one size fits all. A app
>             written for a mobile device will take advantage of options
>             not available to a web interface. It is far better to use
>             a app written for the platform. For the web platform HTML5
>             may be a good choice. The Web Transceiver talks to the ASL
>             network via IAX.
>
>             73, Steve N4IRS
>
>             On 4/17/2017 10:33 AM, Loren Tedford wrote:
>>             Steve I still like the idea that we are at least talking
>>             about fixing the Web Transceiver if i knew a little more
>>             about it maybe we could figure out how to make the web
>>             transceiver work in html mostly instead of java.. If this
>>             can be done this will mean its comparable via any mobile
>>             web browser out on the market today..  All the user would
>>             have to do is login to the website etc.. So exactly how
>>             does the web transceiver talk to the allstarlink
>>             network??? What exactly is going on in the back end of
>>             things??
>>
>>             Loren Tedford (KC9ZHV)
>>             Phone:618-553-0806 <tel:%28618%29%20553-0806>
>>             Fax: 1-618-551-2755 <tel:%28618%29%20551-2755>
>>             Email: lorentedford at gmail.com <mailto:lorentedford at gmail.com>
>>             Email: KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com <mailto:KC9ZHV at KC9ZHV.com>
>>             http://www.lorentedford.com <http://www.lorentedford.com/>
>>             http://www.kc9zhv.com <http://www.kc9zhv.com/>
>>             http://forum.kc9zhv.com <http://forum.kc9zhv.com/>
>>             http://hub.kc9zhv.com <http://hub.kc9zhv.com/>
>>             http://Ltcraft.net<http://ltcraft.net/>
>>             http://voipham.com
>>
>>             On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Steve Zingman
>>             <szingman at msgstor.com <mailto:szingman at msgstor.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 As I said, The Web Transceiver code is being looked
>>                 at to evaluate if and how it can be moved forward.  A
>>                 one size fits all solution will not adequately work
>>                 on all platforms. Support for mobile devices is a
>>                 must. As of right now for access to specific nodes
>>                 the choices are Zopier and Android IAXRPT. Zopier
>>                 runs on IOS and Android. Android IAXRPT of course
>>                 runs on Android and is tailored to AllStarLink nodes.
>>                 The Web Transceiver is more general.
>>
>>                 73, Steve N4IRS
>>
>>                 On 4/16/2017 10:54 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
>>>                 Yes, kids were the target audience of the Raspberry
>>>                 Pi, but look at what Hams have done with it, in its
>>>                 various forms. AllStar nodes, whether DIAL or the
>>>                 distribution Doug helped develop. Multi-mode Digital
>>>                 Voice nodes using various interface devices like the
>>>                 MMDVM or DVAP/DV-RPTR/DVMEGA. Echolink/IRLP nodes.
>>>                 If we really want to get the attention of teens and
>>>                 twenty-somethings, and keep it, we need to adapt our
>>>                 tactics to the way they live; how often do you see
>>>                 one without a smartphone somewhere on their person?
>>>                 Create an app (or two, as iOS should be covered too)
>>>                 that supports the features of the current Web
>>>                 Transceiver and you'll have a tool that everyone can
>>>                 use and still have the browser free for other things.
>>>
>>>                 Matthew Pitts
>>>                 N8OHU
>>>                 -- 
>>>                 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please
>>>                 excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>>                 On April 15, 2017 6:48:44 PM EDT, Thor Wiegman
>>>                 <n7jct at aplaceonthe.net>
>>>                 <mailto:n7jct at aplaceonthe.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     It comes as no surprise that someone like Doug
>>>                     would have little or no need for the web
>>>                     transceiver. Most of us on this list won't have
>>>                     use for it. Anyone who's come so far as to
>>>                     building their own node and subscribing to this
>>>                     list has likely exceeded what that web
>>>                     transceiver could do for them.
>>>
>>>                     Consider however that there is a different
>>>                     market, a different audience for a web
>>>                     transceiver.  I know that I'm not the only one
>>>                     who got involved in this through exploration
>>>                     with the web transceiver.
>>>
>>>                     So I think there is benefit in having such a
>>>                     simple tool.  It can be, if it works well and is
>>>                     designed properly, a great tool for someone to
>>>                     take that first step in finding out what all
>>>                     this is about.
>>>
>>>                     Consider the target audience of the Raspberry
>>>                     Pi. Getting kids into programming and using
>>>                     these devices to do things, control things and
>>>                     such. Ham radio needs to attract, and keep, the
>>>                     attention of that same audience.  App_rpt and
>>>                     Allstarlink are great for that.  But this
>>>                     audience doesn't come to us with anything more
>>>                     than a very basic, novice background at first. 
>>>                     A web transceiver seems like a handy tool for
>>>                     those new young hams to explore.
>>>
>>>                     There's my long winded $0.02
>>>                     73
>>>                     Thor (N7JCT)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>                     Subject:
>>>>                     Re: [App_rpt-users] Alternative to
>>>>                     WebTransceiver java applet
>>>>                     From:
>>>>                     Doug Crompton <wa3dsp at gmail.com>
>>>>                     <mailto:wa3dsp at gmail.com>
>>>>                     Date:
>>>>                     04/15/2017 01:24 PM
>>>>
>>>>                     To:
>>>>                     Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>>>>                     <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>>                     <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     If you must have the web transceiver there are
>>>>                     ways around the problem
>>>
>>>
>>>
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