[App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 118, Issue 25

Tom tom at k5tra.net
Thu Dec 27 17:00:00 EST 2018


Thanks Willem, That was well said.

David, release the source code.

K5TRA

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Allstar Node (Mike Besemer)
   2. Re: Allstar Node (David McGough)
   3. Re: Allstar Node (Mike Besemer)
   4. Re: Allstar Node (David McGough)
   5. Re: Allstar Node (Bryan Fields)
   6. Re: Allstar Node (David McGough)
   7. Re: Allstar Node (Mike Besemer)
   8. Re: Allstar Node (EDPnJAX)
   9. Re: Allstar Node (David McGough)
  10. Re: Allstar Node (EDPnJAX)
  11. Re: Allstar Node (Willem Schreuder)
  12. Re: Allstar Node (Bryan D. Boyle)
  13. Re: Allstar Node (Mike Besemer)
  14. Re: Allstar Node (Mike Besemer)
  15. Re: Allstar Node (cnovey)
  16. Re: Allstar Node (Willem Schreuder)
  17. Re: Allstar Node (JJC)
  18. Re: Allstar Node (Bryan D. Boyle)
  19. Re: Allstar Node (Willem Schreuder)
  20. Re: Allstar Node (David McGough)
  21. Re: Allstar Node (larry)
  22. Re: Allstar Node (David McGough)
  23. Re: Allstar Node (walter)
  24. Re: Allstar Node (David McGough)
  25. Re: Allstar Node (Andrew Sylthe)
  26. Re: Allstar Node (David McGough)
  27. Re: Allstar Node (David Shaw)
  28. Re: Allstar Node (Andrew Sylthe)
  29. Re: Allstar Node (jimmy keffer)
  30. Re: Allstar Node (Willem Schreuder)
  31. Re: Allstar Node (David McGough)
  32. Limey Unix (Todd Lesser)
  33. Re: Limey Unix (Mike)
  34. Re: Allstar Node (Willem Schreuder)
  35. Modules.conf: autoload (Bob Pyke)
  36. Re: Modules.conf: autoload (Mike)
  37. Re: Allstar Node (David McGough)
  38. Re: Modules.conf: autoload (Bob Pyke)
  39. Re: Allstar Node (JJC)
  40. Re: Allstar Node (Willem Schreuder)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 07:56:51 -0500
From: "Mike Besemer" <mwbesemer at cox.net>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
	<app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <000f01d49d1a$78af6c60$6a0e4520$@cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="UTF-8"

Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website
registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.



-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of larry
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

Bryan,

I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists. 
However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip 
happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative 
BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful 
to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative 
comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one 
that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL 
OLD!!!  With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when 
the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about 
take your personal rant elsewhere?

Larry - N7FM


On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
>> However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF
>> radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his
nodes
>> also come with the HamVoip software.
> I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal
copyright
> infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
>
> 73's

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 08:19:10 -0500 (EST)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID:
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Yeah, Like me!   Have a look at:


http://kb4fxc.com
http://kb4fxc.net
http://kb4fxc.org


Typical behavior of Bryan, W9CR, the blooming idiot!  This is the same
behavior he uses against anybody who he passionately dislikes. He starts a
ugly disinformation campaign.  Take the Florida Repeater council, as
another example:

http://frcreform.org/


Well, the old saying that applies is simple: Give a fool enough rope and 
they'll hang themselves.

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is. 

So, if you, too, are one of the "lucky ones" who W9CR has posted LIBELOUS 
content about, send me a personal e-mail.  I would like to discuss the 
situation with you.


W9CR is damaged goods.



73, David KB4FXC





On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

> Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website
registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On Behalf Of larry
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM
> To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
> 
> Bryan,
> 
> I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists. 
> However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip 
> happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative 
> BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful 
> to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative 
> comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one 
> that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL 
> OLD!!!  With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when 
> the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about 
> take your personal rant elsewhere?
> 
> Larry - N7FM
> 
> 
> On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> > On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
> >> However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those
BF
> >> radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his
nodes
> >> also come with the HamVoip software.
> > I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal
copyright
> > infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
> >
> > 73's
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 08:38:50 -0500
From: "Mike Besemer" <mwbesemer at cox.net>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
	<app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <000001d49d20$563cda90$02b68fb0$@cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I wonder if the registration for those sites looks like the info below.  

Whoever the registrant is, that individual is a total coward.

Raw WHOIS Record

Domain Name: 
Registry Domain ID: 2047650657_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.gandi.net
Registrar URL: http://www.gandi.net
Updated Date: 2018-10-25T00:53:18Z
Creation Date: 2016-07-29T23:33:44Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2020-07-29T23:33:44Z
Registrar: GANDI SAS
Registrar IANA ID: 81
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at support.gandi.net
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +33.170377661
Reseller: 
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: 
Domain Status: 
Domain Status: 
Domain Status: 
Registry Registrant ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Organization: 
Registrant Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant State/Province: Florida
Registrant Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766 at contact.gandi.net
Registry Admin ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin State/Province: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Country: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766 at contact.gandi.net
Registry Tech ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech State/Province: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Country: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766 at contact.gandi.net
Name Server: NS-157-A.GANDI.NET
Name Server: NS-66-B.GANDI.NET
Name Server: NS-236-C.GANDI.NET
Name Server: 
Name Server: 
Name Server: 
Name Server: 
Name Server: 
Name Server: 
Name Server: 
DNSSEC: Unsigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System:
http://wdprs.internic.net/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2018-12-26T13:36:00Z <<<

For more information on Whois status codes, please visit
https://www.icann.org/epp

Reseller Email: 
Reseller URL: 

Personal data access and use are governed by French law, any use for the
purpose of unsolicited mass commercial advertising as well as any mass or
automated inquiries (for any intent other than the registration or
modification of a domain name) are strictly forbidden. Copy of whole or part
of our database without Gandi's endorsement is strictly forbidden. <br />
A dispute over the ownership of a domain name may be subject to the
alternate procedure established by the Registry in question or brought
before the courts. <br />
For additional information, please contact us via the following form:<br />
 https://www.gandi.net/support/contacter/mail/

-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of David McGough
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:19 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node


Yeah, Like me!   Have a look at:


http://kb4fxc.com
http://kb4fxc.net
http://kb4fxc.org


Typical behavior of Bryan, W9CR, the blooming idiot!  This is the same
behavior he uses against anybody who he passionately dislikes. He starts a
ugly disinformation campaign.  Take the Florida Repeater council, as
another example:

http://frcreform.org/


Well, the old saying that applies is simple: Give a fool enough rope and 
they'll hang themselves.

W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is. 

So, if you, too, are one of the "lucky ones" who W9CR has posted LIBELOUS 
content about, send me a personal e-mail.  I would like to discuss the 
situation with you.


W9CR is damaged goods.



73, David KB4FXC





On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

> Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website
registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On Behalf Of larry
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM
> To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
> 
> Bryan,
> 
> I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists. 
> However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip 
> happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative 
> BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful 
> to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative 
> comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one 
> that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL 
> OLD!!!  With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when 
> the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about 
> take your personal rant elsewhere?
> 
> Larry - N7FM
> 
> 
> On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> > On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
> >> However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those
BF
> >> radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his
nodes
> >> also come with the HamVoip software.
> > I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal
copyright
> > infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
> >
> > 73's
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 08:46:35 -0500 (EST)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID:
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.1812260843130.3827-100000 at goliath.inttek.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII


Notice that the Registrant state is Florida!  Agreed, he is a BULLY 
and a COWARD.

--------------------------------------------------

mcgough at david-vb:~$ whois kb4fxc.org
Domain Name: KB4FXC.ORG
Registry Domain ID: D402200000007333526-LROR
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.gandi.net
Registrar URL: http://www.gandi.net
Updated Date: 2018-10-25T03:47:18Z
Creation Date: 2018-08-25T19:07:53Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2019-08-25T19:07:53Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date:
Registrar: Gandi SAS
Registrar IANA ID: 81
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at support.gandi.net
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +33.170377661
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited 
https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registrant Organization:
Registrant State/Province: FL
Registrant Country: US
Name Server: NS-169-A.GANDI.NET
Name Server: NS-145-C.GANDI.NET
Name Server: NS-165-B.GANDI.NET
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form
https://www.icann.org/wicf/)
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2018-12-26T13:41:38Z <<<






On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

> I wonder if the registration for those sites looks like the info below.  
> 
> Whoever the registrant is, that individual is a total coward.
> 
> Raw WHOIS Record
> 
> Domain Name: 
> Registry Domain ID: 2047650657_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
> Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.gandi.net
> Registrar URL: http://www.gandi.net
> Updated Date: 2018-10-25T00:53:18Z
> Creation Date: 2016-07-29T23:33:44Z
> Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2020-07-29T23:33:44Z
> Registrar: GANDI SAS
> Registrar IANA ID: 81
> Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at support.gandi.net
> Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +33.170377661
> Reseller: 
> Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
> http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
> Domain Status: 
> Domain Status: 
> Domain Status: 
> Domain Status: 
> Registry Registrant ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Registrant Organization: 
> Registrant Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Registrant City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Registrant State/Province: Florida
> Registrant Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Registrant Country: US
> Registrant Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Registrant Phone Ext:
> Registrant Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Registrant Fax Ext:
> Registrant Email:
393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766 at contact.gandi.net
> Registry Admin ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Admin Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Admin Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Admin Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Admin City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Admin State/Province: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Admin Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Admin Country: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Admin Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Admin Phone Ext:
> Admin Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Admin Fax Ext:
> Admin Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766 at contact.gandi.net
> Registry Tech ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Tech Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Tech Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Tech Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Tech City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Tech State/Province: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Tech Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Tech Country: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Tech Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Tech Phone Ext:
> Tech Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
> Tech Fax Ext:
> Tech Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766 at contact.gandi.net
> Name Server: NS-157-A.GANDI.NET
> Name Server: NS-66-B.GANDI.NET
> Name Server: NS-236-C.GANDI.NET
> Name Server: 
> Name Server: 
> Name Server: 
> Name Server: 
> Name Server: 
> Name Server: 
> Name Server: 
> DNSSEC: Unsigned
> URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System:
> http://wdprs.internic.net/
> >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2018-12-26T13:36:00Z <<<
> 
> For more information on Whois status codes, please visit
> https://www.icann.org/epp
> 
> Reseller Email: 
> Reseller URL: 
> 
> Personal data access and use are governed by French law, any use for the
> purpose of unsolicited mass commercial advertising as well as any mass or
> automated inquiries (for any intent other than the registration or
> modification of a domain name) are strictly forbidden. Copy of whole or
part
> of our database without Gandi's endorsement is strictly forbidden. <br />
> A dispute over the ownership of a domain name may be subject to the
> alternate procedure established by the Registry in question or brought
> before the courts. <br />
> For additional information, please contact us via the following form:<br
/>
>  https://www.gandi.net/support/contacter/mail/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On
> Behalf Of David McGough
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:19 AM
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
> 
> 
> Yeah, Like me!   Have a look at:
> 
> 
> http://kb4fxc.com
> http://kb4fxc.net
> http://kb4fxc.org
> 
> 
> Typical behavior of Bryan, W9CR, the blooming idiot!  This is the same
> behavior he uses against anybody who he passionately dislikes. He starts a
> ugly disinformation campaign.  Take the Florida Repeater council, as
> another example:
> 
> http://frcreform.org/
> 
> 
> Well, the old saying that applies is simple: Give a fool enough rope and 
> they'll hang themselves.
> 
> W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
> of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is. 
> 
> So, if you, too, are one of the "lucky ones" who W9CR has posted LIBELOUS 
> content about, send me a personal e-mail.  I would like to discuss the 
> situation with you.
> 
> 
> W9CR is damaged goods.
> 
> 
> 
> 73, David KB4FXC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
> 
> > Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website
> registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
> On Behalf Of larry
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM
> > To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
> > 
> > Bryan,
> > 
> > I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists. 
> > However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip 
> > happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative

> > BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful 
> > to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative 
> > comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one 
> > that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL 
> > OLD!!!  With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when

> > the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about 
> > take your personal rant elsewhere?
> > 
> > Larry - N7FM
> > 
> > 
> > On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
> > > On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
> > >> However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those
> BF
> > >> radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his
> nodes
> > >> also come with the HamVoip software.
> > > I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal
> copyright
> > > infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
> > >
> > > 73's
> > 
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 08:55:09 -0500
From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <12b9ffdb-ceee-95ae-298a-2752ea3b449c at bryanfields.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
> W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
> of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is. 

It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is.  You are
a
fraud and a criminal.  We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
are
and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.

-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 09:04:54 -0500 (EST)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID:
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.1812260857330.3827-100000 at goliath.inttek.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII



"WE" ????  Yet another, typical delutional outburst.

Dude, you're already up to your neck in quicksand.

And, you're right, all the world sees this, except you.



On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan Fields wrote:

> On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
> > W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
> > of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

> 
> It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is.  You
are a
> fraud and a criminal.  We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
are
> and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
> 
> 



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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 11:56:07 -0500
From: "Mike Besemer" <mwbesemer at cox.net>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
	<app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <001501d49d3b$e8593a20$b90bae60$@cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

So you've file a lawsuit?



-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Fields
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
> W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
> of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is. 

It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is.  You are
a
fraud and a criminal.  We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
are
and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.

-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:08:19 -0500
From: EDPnJAX <edpnjax at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <53DEF23A-3556-4C37-B942-ACE2A78CF9A9 at gmail.com>
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Let it go guys? ALL of you!

This isn?t productive, in fact it?s destructive.  The list isn?t meant for
this junk.

> On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> So you've file a lawsuit?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On
> Behalf Of Bryan Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
> 
> On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
>> W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
>> of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is. 
> 
> It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is.  You
are
> a
> fraud and a criminal.  We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
> are
> and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Fields
> 
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:35:15 -0500 (EST)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1


Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an 
Internet Bully, you might feel differently.



On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:

> Let it go guys??? ALL of you!

This isn???t productive, in fact it???s destructive.  The list isn???t meant
for this junk.

> On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> So you've file a lawsuit?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On
> Behalf Of Bryan Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
> 
> On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
>> W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
>> of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is. 
> 
> It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is.  You
are
> a
> fraud and a criminal.  We will not rest until you are exposed for what you
> are
> and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Fields
> 
> 727-409-1194 - Voice
> http://bryanfields.net
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:38:04 -0500
From: EDPnJAX <edpnjax at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <0726E0CE-A565-4A76-A765-E1A3D6B86A84 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

I have been, and just like most everything else in life? ignore it and when
they don?t get anything in return they will eventually go away.  Like a
stray? keep feeding themguys and they?ll return.

> On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:35 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an 
> Internet Bully, you might feel differently.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:
> 
>> Let it go guys?? ALL of you!
> 
> This isn't??t productive, in fact it's??s destructive.  The list isn't??t
meant for this junk.
> 
>> On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> So you've file a lawsuit?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Fields
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
>> 
>> On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
>>> W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
>>> of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

>> 
>> It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is.  You
are
>> a
>> fraud and a criminal.  We will not rest until you are exposed for what
you
>> are
>> and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Bryan Fields
>> 
>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>> http://bryanfields.net
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 10:44:37 -0700 (MST)
From: Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1812261000250.17951 at baloo.prinmath.com>
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

> So you've file a lawsuit?

I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur 
radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) 
for software.

We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of 
spectrum.  However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must 
promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules.  So when 
there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, 
WE take action to address it.  Only in the most eggregious of cases does 
the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action.

Just so with the GPL.  I as a software developer have the benefit of 
billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free 
operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of 
which is covered by the GPL.  Generally the software community 
self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple 
as releasing the code.  I do this because it is my obligation under the 
GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help 
improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it.

Had the authors of Asterisk said:  "We will not release the source code, 
but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things 
you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. 
Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to 
do repeater linking.

Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a 
lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the 
cost of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you 
are in compliance!  However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make 
sure that people comply with the conditions of their ham license, 
sometimes it takes legal action to force compliance with the GPL.

In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract. 
We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that 
we will abide by a simple rule:  you have to make your contribution freely 
available to others.

So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit.  That only serves to 
make lawyers rich.  But in the end, it seems to me that the open source 
model has proven to be much more successful in the long run.  I and many 
others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software 
available not just free of charge but free to improve.  And in the process 
I have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as 
well as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software 
I wrote.

We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names.  But the GPL is 
pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code.  I 
don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in 
arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the 
source for the improvements.  The GPL always wins out in the end.

-Willem

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:45:54 -0500
From: "Bryan D. Boyle" <bdboyle at bdboyle.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <DDA734ED-3E9A-4FEE-A901-A0FCF41DFEE2 at bdboyle.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

AMEN.

It?s only AMATEUR radio.  If it disappeared tomorrow, the world would
neither be better nor worse off, in truth.

If the legal and moral owners of the copyrights have no inclination to fight
it or enforce their rights, in the end, does it really matter what anyone
who has no rights to the software thinks?

Both versions of the fork have plusses and minuses.  In the end, the
marketplace will decide.

But in the meantime, all the constant bickering and ?who?s is bigger?
argument is doing is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  

It?s just a hobby.  
--
Bryan
Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this
message.



> On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:08, EDPnJAX <edpnjax at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Let it go guys? ALL of you!
> 
> This isn?t productive, in fact it?s destructive.  The list isn?t meant for
this junk.
> 
>> On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> So you've file a lawsuit?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Fields
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
>> 
>>> On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
>>> W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
>>> of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

>> 
>> It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is.  You
are
>> a
>> fraud and a criminal.  We will not rest until you are exposed for what
you
>> are
>> and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Bryan Fields
>> 
>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>> http://bryanfields.net
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:50:28 -0500
From: "Mike Besemer" <mwbesemer at cox.net>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
	<app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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No... I've been ignoring this particular coward for a number of years and he
still takes every opportunity to flame me, to include the registration of my
callsign as a web domain with a redirect to a porn site.  If he were half a
man, he'd confront me directly, but he chooses to play silly little games
like a 3 year-old.  I've never done a thing to this man-child except to
disagree with him and his attitude, but apparently that?s all it takes to
send him into a tantrum.

Frankly, I'm tired of his attitude, his mouth, and his existence as a
'source of knowledge' for this (and other) lists.  I don't care how smart he
is or how much he has contributed.  He is a liability to ASL as long as his
name is associated with it.  It's hard to respect an organization who would
allow someone like that to speak on their behalf.



-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of EDPnJAX
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

I have been, and just like most everything else in life? ignore it and when
they don?t get anything in return they will eventually go away.  Like a
stray? keep feeding themguys and they?ll return.

> On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:35 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an 
> Internet Bully, you might feel differently.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:
> 
>> Let it go guys?? ALL of you!
> 
> This isn't??t productive, in fact it's??s destructive.  The list isn't??t
meant for this junk.
> 
>> On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> So you've file a lawsuit?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Fields
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
>> 
>> On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
>>> W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
>>> of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

>> 
>> It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is.  You
are
>> a
>> fraud and a criminal.  We will not rest until you are exposed for what
you
>> are
>> and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Bryan Fields
>> 
>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>> http://bryanfields.net
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:52:12 -0500
From: "Mike Besemer" <mwbesemer at cox.net>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
	<app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <001001d49d43$bb2bb340$318319c0$@cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything
to deal with those individuals.  Put up or shut up.



-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of Willem Schreuder
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:45 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

> So you've file a lawsuit?

I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur 
radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) 
for software.

We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of 
spectrum.  However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must 
promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules.  So when 
there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, 
WE take action to address it.  Only in the most eggregious of cases does 
the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action.

Just so with the GPL.  I as a software developer have the benefit of 
billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free 
operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of 
which is covered by the GPL.  Generally the software community 
self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple 
as releasing the code.  I do this because it is my obligation under the 
GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help 
improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it.

Had the authors of Asterisk said:  "We will not release the source code, 
but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things 
you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. 
Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to 
do repeater linking.

Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a 
lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the 
cost of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you 
are in compliance!  However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make 
sure that people comply with the conditions of their ham license, 
sometimes it takes legal action to force compliance with the GPL.

In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract. 
We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that 
we will abide by a simple rule:  you have to make your contribution freely 
available to others.

So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit.  That only serves to 
make lawyers rich.  But in the end, it seems to me that the open source 
model has proven to be much more successful in the long run.  I and many 
others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software 
available not just free of charge but free to improve.  And in the process 
I have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as 
well as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software 
I wrote.

We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names.  But the GPL is 
pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code.  I 
don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in 
arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the 
source for the improvements.  The GPL always wins out in the end.

-Willem

================================================================
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Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 10:08:12 -0800
From: "cnovey" <cnovey at gmail.com>
To: "'Users of Asterisk app_rpt'"
	<app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <026801d49d45$f80e0680$e82a1380$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Thanks for this Willem- well spoken.
Clifford - KK6QMS

-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf
Of Willem Schreuder
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:45 AM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

> So you've file a lawsuit?

I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur
radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL)
for software.

We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of spectrum.
However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must promote and
expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules.  So when there are
people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, WE take
action to address it.  Only in the most eggregious of cases does the FCC
actually have to take an enforcement action.

Just so with the GPL.  I as a software developer have the benefit of
billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free
operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of which
is covered by the GPL.  Generally the software community self-enforces the
GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple as releasing the
code.  I do this because it is my obligation under the GPL, but I also
license new work under the GPL because other people help improve what I
started, and I still largely get the credit for it.

Had the authors of Asterisk said:  "We will not release the source code, but
we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things you
want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. 
Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to do
repeater linking.

Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a
lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the cost
of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you are in
compliance!  However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make sure that
people comply with the conditions of their ham license, sometimes it takes
legal action to force compliance with the GPL.

In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract. 
We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that we
will abide by a simple rule:  you have to make your contribution freely
available to others.

So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit.  That only serves to
make lawyers rich.  But in the end, it seems to me that the open source
model has proven to be much more successful in the long run.  I and many
others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software
available not just free of charge but free to improve.  And in the process I
have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as well
as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software I
wrote.

We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names.  But the GPL is
pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code.  I
don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in
arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the
source for the improvements.  The GPL always wins out in the end.

-Willem

================================================================
Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 11:10:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1812261055560.17951 at baloo.prinmath.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

> The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything
> to deal with those individuals.  Put up or shut up.

I cannot condone the name calling and ad hominem attacks.  I understand 
the passion on both sides, and I agree it has gotten way out of hand.

However, the point remains that the GPL is pretty black and white on the 
issue of releasing the source code, and it is up to all of us to point out 
when the GPL is being violated.

I just wish we can do it in a civil manner, and not dismiss the whole 
issue because of personal animosity.

================================================================
Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com


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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 11:13:16 -0700
From: JJC <cummingsj at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID:
	<CAOb75Ov=S6HXSgJLQbv6Zv2DcU-zBkZSccAddhYOuy1xmxKkig at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Willem++

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 11:10 AM Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
>
> > The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does
> anything
> > to deal with those individuals.  Put up or shut up.
>
> I cannot condone the name calling and ad hominem attacks.  I understand
> the passion on both sides, and I agree it has gotten way out of hand.
>
> However, the point remains that the GPL is pretty black and white on the
> issue of releasing the source code, and it is up to all of us to point out
> when the GPL is being violated.
>
> I just wish we can do it in a civil manner, and not dismiss the whole
> issue because of personal animosity.
>
> ================================================================
> Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
> Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
> WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 14:11:39 -0500
From: "Bryan D. Boyle" <bdboyle at bdboyle.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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or ignore it and move on.

--
Bryan
Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this
message.



> On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:52, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything
> to deal with those individuals.  Put up or shut up.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On
> Behalf Of Willem Schreuder
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:45 PM
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
> 
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
>> 
>> So you've file a lawsuit?
> 
> I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur 
> radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) 
> for software.
> 
> We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of 
> spectrum.  However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must 
> promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules.  So when 
> there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, 
> WE take action to address it.  Only in the most eggregious of cases does 
> the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action.
> 
> Just so with the GPL.  I as a software developer have the benefit of 
> billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free 
> operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of 
> which is covered by the GPL.  Generally the software community 
> self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple 
> as releasing the code.  I do this because it is my obligation under the 
> GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help 
> improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it.
> 
> Had the authors of Asterisk said:  "We will not release the source code, 
> but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things

> you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. 
> Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to 
> The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything
> to deal with those individuals.  Put up or shut up.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On
> Behalf Of Willem Schreuder
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:45 PM
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
> 
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
>> 
>> So you've file a lawsuit?
> 
> I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur 
> radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) 
> for software.
> 
> We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of 
> spectrum.  However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must 
> promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules.  So when 
> there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, 
> WE take action to address it.  Only in the most eggregious of cases does 
> the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action.
> 
> Just so with the GPL.  I as a software developer have the benefit of 
> billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free 
> operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of 
> which is covered by the GPL.  Generally the software community 
> self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple 
> as releasing the code.  I do this because it is my obligation under the 
> GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help 
> improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it.
> 
> Had the authors of Asterisk said:  "We will not release the source code, 
> but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things

> you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. 
> Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to 
> do repeater linking.
> 
> Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a 
> lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the 
> cost of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you 
> are in compliance!  However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make 
> sure that people comply with the conditions of their ham license, 
> sometimes it takes legal action to force compliance with the GPL.
> 
> In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract. 
> We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that 
> we will abide by a simple rule:  you have to make your contribution freely

> available to others.
> 
> So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit.  That only serves to

> make lawyers rich.  But in the end, it seems to me that the open source 
> model has proven to be much more successful in the long run.  I and many 
> others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software 
> available not just free of charge but free to improve.  And in the process

> I have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as 
> well as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software

> I wrote.
> 
> We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names.  But the GPL is 
> pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code.  I 
> don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in 
> arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the 
> source for the improvements.  The GPL always wins out in the end.
> 
> -Willem
> 
> ================================================================
> Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
> Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
> WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:40:08 -0700 (MST)
From: Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:

> or ignore it and move on.

I have to respectfully disagree.  We all have a responsibility to point 
out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where hams 
run afoul of Part 97.

If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice to 
the ham community.  Just so if we say that we don't care about the GPL, it 
does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by 
contributing software.

If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of 
correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.

But let's be civil in how we go about it.

================================================================
Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 15:17:23 -0500 (EST)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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Unfortunately, ignoring bullies rarely works. When bullies show up on the
Internet and will NOT go away, this is Cyberstalking. And, yes, there are
relatively new laws in the USA intended to address this. For a better 
description, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking


This has gone on long enough, with a lot of different people.



On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:

> No... I've been ignoring this particular coward for a number of years 
and he still takes every opportunity to flame me, to include the 
registration of my callsign as a web domain with a redirect to a porn 
site.  If he were half a man, he'd confront me directly, but he chooses 
to play silly little games like a 3 year-old.  I've never done a thing to 
this man-child except to disagree with him and his attitude, but 
apparently that???s all it takes to send him into a tantrum.

Frankly, I'm tired of his attitude, his mouth, and his existence as a 
'source of knowledge' for this (and other) lists.  I don't care how smart 
he is or how much he has contributed.  He is a liability to ASL as long 
as his name is associated with it.  It's hard to respect an organization 
who would allow someone like that to speak on their behalf.



-----Original Message-----
From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org] On
Behalf Of EDPnJAX
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

I have been, and just like most everything else in life??? ignore it and
when they don???t get anything in return they will eventually go away.  Like
a stray??? keep feeding themguys and they???ll return.

> On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:35 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an 
> Internet Bully, you might feel differently.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:
> 
>> Let it go guys????? ALL of you!
> 
> This isn't??????t productive, in fact it's??????s destructive.  The list
isn't??????t meant for this junk.
> 
>> On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> So you've file a lawsuit?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces at lists.allstarlink.org]
On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Fields
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
>> 
>> On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
>>> W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full
>>> of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.

>> 
>> It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is.  You
are
>> a
>> fraud and a criminal.  We will not rest until you are exposed for what
you
>> are
>> and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Bryan Fields
>> 
>> 727-409-1194 - Voice
>> http://bryanfields.net
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:52:06 -0800
From: larry <larry at n7fm.com>
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 15:57:47 -0500 (EST)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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Larry,


You didn't start it.  It is time to find some answers though. This has 
gone on long enough.


73, David KB4FXC



On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, larry wrote:

> Well I'm sorry I posted that! It wasn't meant to start a flame discussion.
> 
> My point ----?? I was lead to believe the Allstar Lists were here to share
and give pointers. Especially to those new to the hobby. If it is going to
become a
> place for everyone to keep bashing others for one reason or another? It
serves no purpose and is detrimental to the hobby and should be trashed.
> 
> I could care less about anyones personal feeling about any other
individual. I subscribe to this list only for the helpful knowledge it can
provide for
> Allstar/Asterisk.
> 
> Take the personal bickering and opinions elsewhere!!!!
> 
> Larry - N7FM
> 
> 
> On 12/26/18 12:33 AM, larry wrote:
>       Bryan,
> 
>       I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email
lists. However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word
Hamvoip happens
>       to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative BS
that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful to the
poster.
>       Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative comments
while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one that wishes you
would
>       take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL OLD!!!?? With all
your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when the Hamvoip word
DOES NOT
>       appear in a posting is excellent. How about take your personal rant
elsewhere?
> 
>       Larry - N7FM
> 
> 
>       On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
>             On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
>                   However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He
has taken those BF
>                   radios apart and made his connections to that and the
sound cards his nodes
>                   also come with the HamVoip software.
> 
>             I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's
criminal copyright
>             infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in
it.
> 
>             73's
> 
> 
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 14:08:54 -0700
From: "walter" <waltcarter30 at yahoo.com>
To: <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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As a new ham to allstar I don?t think this is the place for this subject. I
have learned a lot over the past two months. I finally got my node stable
and working. I am now starting to build my second 900 mhz repeater with an
allstar node.
I look at this page for information not all the bickering.
How about a second users group for the non technical stuff.
Walt
WB4LDS
49289

From: larry 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 1:52 PM
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org 
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node

Well I'm sorry I posted that! It wasn't meant to start a flame discussion.

My point ----  I was lead to believe the Allstar Lists were here to share
and give pointers. Especially to those new to the hobby. If it is going to
become a place for everyone to keep bashing others for one reason or
another? It serves no purpose and is detrimental to the hobby and should be
trashed.

I could care less about anyones personal feeling about any other individual.
I subscribe to this list only for the helpful knowledge it can provide for
Allstar/Asterisk. 

Take the personal bickering and opinions elsewhere!!!!

Larry - N7FM



On 12/26/18 12:33 AM, larry wrote:

  Bryan, 

  I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists.
However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip
happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative BS
that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful to the
poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative comments
while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one that wishes you
would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL OLD!!!  With all your
knowledge and ability the help you do provide when the Hamvoip word DOES NOT
appear in a posting is excellent. How about take your personal rant
elsewhere? 

  Larry - N7FM 


  On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: 

    On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote: 

      However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those
BF 
      radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his
nodes 
      also come with the HamVoip software. 

    I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal
copyright 
    infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it. 

    73's 


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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 16:23:23 -0500 (EST)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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Willem,

Unfortunately, the "GPL" is only a leverage tool that W9CR (and a few
others) are barking about to quickly gain "community" support. You all are 
being used a pawns.

There is a lot more to this story not known by many people.

Little details like when Jim Dixon passed, he had no will ("Intestate").
There is an open Probate case in the LA county courts right now. But no
mention of anything related to AllStar. In fact, Jim had NO assets listed 
at all. Look at these  Court documents for yourself. This is a link to 
the LA County Court website:  https://www.lacourt.org/page/CI0100
Click "Continue as Guest" at the bottom of this page and then use this 
case number: 17STPB08347

When exactly did W9CR or ASL obtain copyright ownership??  This question
has been asked repeatedly "behind the scenes." No Answer.  I have
personally asked various persons for a legal statement about this. No 
Answer.

Yes, I've seen the history posted by KE6PCV.

I (and HamVoIP) have continually been called a "criminals," etc., by W9CR
(and a few others). Are you aware that "criminal" proceeding can only be
initiated by the copyright owner??  So far, I've not been contacted by the
owner??

Some other interesting facts include:

How did W9CR obtain 9+ domains previously owned solely by Jim Dixon, as of
his untimely death??  They include:

allstarlink.com
allstarlink.net
allstarlink.org
bsdtelephony.net
duuuude.com
lambdatel.com
ofaa.org
zapatatelephony.com
zapatatelephony.org


Jim also owned a /21 IPv4 subnet (206.82.240.0/21) when he passed. That
also now belongs to W9CR, as of about 03/28/2018. See:

https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-206-82-240-0-1/pft?s=206.82.247.18


I guess you're also not aware that W9CR is trying to TRADEMARK the 
word-mark "AllStar" ???  Try searching the USPTO and take a look at the 
exhibits presented! Here is a link: 

https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/search-trademark-databa
se


Unfortunately, it seems the pot will have to be stirred. This useless bull
hockey WILL finally get resolved for once and for all.



Sincerely,


73, David KB4FXC




On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
> 
> > or ignore it and move on.
> 
> I have to respectfully disagree.  We all have a responsibility to point 
> out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where hams 
> run afoul of Part 97.
> 
> If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice to 
> the ham community.  Just so if we say that we don't care about the GPL, it

> does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by 
> contributing software.
> 
> If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of 
> correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.
> 
> But let's be civil in how we go about it.
> 
> ================================================================
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> Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 15:33:44 -0600
From: Andrew Sylthe <asylthe at kc9ona.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID:
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David,

Everyone seems to be in agreement that open source is a good thing. Would
you be willing to just address the entire list why you won't release the
source? That's the only question I would have. Why the source that you've
built upon is being kept under lock and key while it's being distributed...

Thanks!

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 3:23 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net wrote:

>
>
> Willem,
>
> Unfortunately, the "GPL" is only a leverage tool that W9CR (and a few
> others) are barking about to quickly gain "community" support. You all are
> being used a pawns.
>
> There is a lot more to this story not known by many people.
>
> Little details like when Jim Dixon passed, he had no will ("Intestate").
> There is an open Probate case in the LA county courts right now. But no
> mention of anything related to AllStar. In fact, Jim had NO assets listed
> at all. Look at these  Court documents for yourself. This is a link to
> the LA County Court website:  https://www.lacourt.org/page/CI0100
> Click "Continue as Guest" at the bottom of this page and then use this
> case number: 17STPB08347
>
> When exactly did W9CR or ASL obtain copyright ownership??  This question
> has been asked repeatedly "behind the scenes." No Answer.  I have
> personally asked various persons for a legal statement about this. No
> Answer.
>
> Yes, I've seen the history posted by KE6PCV.
>
> I (and HamVoIP) have continually been called a "criminals," etc., by W9CR
> (and a few others). Are you aware that "criminal" proceeding can only be
> initiated by the copyright owner??  So far, I've not been contacted by the
> owner??
>
> Some other interesting facts include:
>
> How did W9CR obtain 9+ domains previously owned solely by Jim Dixon, as of
> his untimely death??  They include:
>
> allstarlink.com
> allstarlink.net
> allstarlink.org
> bsdtelephony.net
> duuuude.com
> lambdatel.com
> ofaa.org
> zapatatelephony.com
> zapatatelephony.org
>
>
> Jim also owned a /21 IPv4 subnet (206.82.240.0/21) when he passed. That
> also now belongs to W9CR, as of about 03/28/2018. See:
>
> https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-206-82-240-0-1/pft?s=206.82.247.18
>
>
> I guess you're also not aware that W9CR is trying to TRADEMARK the
> word-mark "AllStar" ???  Try searching the USPTO and take a look at the
> exhibits presented! Here is a link:
>
>
>
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/search-trademark-databa
se
>
>
> Unfortunately, it seems the pot will have to be stirred. This useless bull
> hockey WILL finally get resolved for once and for all.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
> >
> > > or ignore it and move on.
> >
> > I have to respectfully disagree.  We all have a responsibility to point
> > out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where hams
> > run afoul of Part 97.
> >
> > If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice to
> > the ham community.  Just so if we say that we don't care about the GPL,
> it
> > does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by
> > contributing software.
> >
> > If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of
> > correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.
> >
> > But let's be civil in how we go about it.
> >
> > ================================================================
> > Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
> > Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> > Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
> > WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 16:58:04 -0500 (EST)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
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My primary concern is: Who is the Copyright owner NOW for all the various
AllStar related modules and as of what date were they released GPL2??  
I've got to have this answered in a legally acceptable way (e.g.:  
notarized affidavit).

Incidentally, ASL, Inc., *SHOULD* be very concerned about this, too. 

As of the last several months, I now have a secondary concern as
well---W9CR's Cyber-hickery.





On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Andrew Sylthe wrote:

> David,
> 
> Everyone seems to be in agreement that open source is a good thing. Would
> you be willing to just address the entire list why you won't release the
> source? That's the only question I would have. Why the source that you've
> built upon is being kept under lock and key while it's being
distributed...
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 3:23 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Willem,
> >
> > Unfortunately, the "GPL" is only a leverage tool that W9CR (and a few
> > others) are barking about to quickly gain "community" support. You all
are
> > being used a pawns.
> >
> > There is a lot more to this story not known by many people.
> >
> > Little details like when Jim Dixon passed, he had no will ("Intestate").
> > There is an open Probate case in the LA county courts right now. But no
> > mention of anything related to AllStar. In fact, Jim had NO assets
listed
> > at all. Look at these  Court documents for yourself. This is a link to
> > the LA County Court website:  https://www.lacourt.org/page/CI0100
> > Click "Continue as Guest" at the bottom of this page and then use this
> > case number: 17STPB08347
> >
> > When exactly did W9CR or ASL obtain copyright ownership??  This question
> > has been asked repeatedly "behind the scenes." No Answer.  I have
> > personally asked various persons for a legal statement about this. No
> > Answer.
> >
> > Yes, I've seen the history posted by KE6PCV.
> >
> > I (and HamVoIP) have continually been called a "criminals," etc., by
W9CR
> > (and a few others). Are you aware that "criminal" proceeding can only be
> > initiated by the copyright owner??  So far, I've not been contacted by
the
> > owner??
> >
> > Some other interesting facts include:
> >
> > How did W9CR obtain 9+ domains previously owned solely by Jim Dixon, as
of
> > his untimely death??  They include:
> >
> > allstarlink.com
> > allstarlink.net
> > allstarlink.org
> > bsdtelephony.net
> > duuuude.com
> > lambdatel.com
> > ofaa.org
> > zapatatelephony.com
> > zapatatelephony.org
> >
> >
> > Jim also owned a /21 IPv4 subnet (206.82.240.0/21) when he passed. That
> > also now belongs to W9CR, as of about 03/28/2018. See:
> >
> > https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-206-82-240-0-1/pft?s=206.82.247.18
> >
> >
> > I guess you're also not aware that W9CR is trying to TRADEMARK the
> > word-mark "AllStar" ???  Try searching the USPTO and take a look at the
> > exhibits presented! Here is a link:
> >
> >
> >
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/search-trademark-databa
se
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately, it seems the pot will have to be stirred. This useless
bull
> > hockey WILL finally get resolved for once and for all.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > 73, David KB4FXC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
> > >
> > > > or ignore it and move on.
> > >
> > > I have to respectfully disagree.  We all have a responsibility to
point
> > > out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where
hams
> > > run afoul of Part 97.
> > >
> > > If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice
to
> > > the ham community.  Just so if we say that we don't care about the
GPL,
> > it
> > > does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by
> > > contributing software.
> > >
> > > If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of
> > > correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.
> > >
> > > But let's be civil in how we go about it.
> > >
> > > ================================================================
> > > Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
> > > Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> > > Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
> > > WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> > > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 14:23:55 -0800
From: David Shaw <shawpbx at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID:
	<CAH4RvbJBwGTCyPTY4KX0MgV9TNw76E0QUn9TC0NySbe+ZAb4kg at mail.gmail.com>
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LOL,

I know Jim was thinking of putting a digital key in his code. So when the
node registered or keyed up and linked to another node. It would show up as
a ASL node and not some forked system.

By the way. I love the armchair lawyer talk and gumshoe detective work.
Start a new thread and keep it coming. Its funny stuff. Maybe we can get on
Judge Judy. That would be great TV.



--
Thanks, David

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for
the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage
than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
confidence than an armed one."
Thomas Jefferson


On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:23 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:

>
>
> Willem,
>
> Unfortunately, the "GPL" is only a leverage tool that W9CR (and a few
> others) are barking about to quickly gain "community" support. You all are
> being used a pawns.
>
> There is a lot more to this story not known by many people.
>
> Little details like when Jim Dixon passed, he had no will ("Intestate").
> There is an open Probate case in the LA county courts right now. But no
> mention of anything related to AllStar. In fact, Jim had NO assets listed
> at all. Look at these  Court documents for yourself. This is a link to
> the LA County Court website:  https://www.lacourt.org/page/CI0100
> Click "Continue as Guest" at the bottom of this page and then use this
> case number: 17STPB08347
>
> When exactly did W9CR or ASL obtain copyright ownership??  This question
> has been asked repeatedly "behind the scenes." No Answer.  I have
> personally asked various persons for a legal statement about this. No
> Answer.
>
> Yes, I've seen the history posted by KE6PCV.
>
> I (and HamVoIP) have continually been called a "criminals," etc., by W9CR
> (and a few others). Are you aware that "criminal" proceeding can only be
> initiated by the copyright owner??  So far, I've not been contacted by the
> owner??
>
> Some other interesting facts include:
>
> How did W9CR obtain 9+ domains previously owned solely by Jim Dixon, as of
> his untimely death??  They include:
>
> allstarlink.com
> allstarlink.net
> allstarlink.org
> bsdtelephony.net
> duuuude.com
> lambdatel.com
> ofaa.org
> zapatatelephony.com
> zapatatelephony.org
>
>
> Jim also owned a /21 IPv4 subnet (206.82.240.0/21) when he passed. That
> also now belongs to W9CR, as of about 03/28/2018. See:
>
> https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-206-82-240-0-1/pft?s=206.82.247.18
>
>
> I guess you're also not aware that W9CR is trying to TRADEMARK the
> word-mark "AllStar" ???  Try searching the USPTO and take a look at the
> exhibits presented! Here is a link:
>
>
>
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/search-trademark-databa
se
>
>
> Unfortunately, it seems the pot will have to be stirred. This useless bull
> hockey WILL finally get resolved for once and for all.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> 73, David KB4FXC
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
> >
> > > or ignore it and move on.
> >
> > I have to respectfully disagree.  We all have a responsibility to point
> > out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where hams
> > run afoul of Part 97.
> >
> > If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice to
> > the ham community.  Just so if we say that we don't care about the GPL,
> it
> > does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by
> > contributing software.
> >
> > If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of
> > correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.
> >
> > But let's be civil in how we go about it.
> >
> > ================================================================
> > Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
> > Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> > Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
> > WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > App_rpt-users mailing list
> > App_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
> > http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
> >
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Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 16:38:12 -0600
From: Andrew Sylthe <asylthe at kc9ona.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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Wasn't all of the code held on Jim's SVN server? I'm guessing all the
commits were time stamped. Wouldn't that answer when the first time the GPL
blurb was included alongside the code?

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 3:58 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net wrote:

>
> My primary concern is: Who is the Copyright owner NOW for all the various
> AllStar related modules and as of what date were they released GPL2??
> I've got to have this answered in a legally acceptable way (e.g.:
> notarized affidavit).
>
> Incidentally, ASL, Inc., *SHOULD* be very concerned about this, too.
>
> As of the last several months, I now have a secondary concern as
> well---W9CR's Cyber-hickery.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Andrew Sylthe wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > Everyone seems to be in agreement that open source is a good thing.
Would
> > you be willing to just address the entire list why you won't release the
> > source? That's the only question I would have. Why the source that
you've
> > built upon is being kept under lock and key while it's being
> distributed...
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 3:23 PM David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Willem,
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, the "GPL" is only a leverage tool that W9CR (and a few
> > > others) are barking about to quickly gain "community" support. You all
> are
> > > being used a pawns.
> > >
> > > There is a lot more to this story not known by many people.
> > >
> > > Little details like when Jim Dixon passed, he had no will
> ("Intestate").
> > > There is an open Probate case in the LA county courts right now. But
no
> > > mention of anything related to AllStar. In fact, Jim had NO assets
> listed
> > > at all. Look at these  Court documents for yourself. This is a link to
> > > the LA County Court website:  https://www.lacourt.org/page/CI0100
> > > Click "Continue as Guest" at the bottom of this page and then use this
> > > case number: 17STPB08347
> > >
> > > When exactly did W9CR or ASL obtain copyright ownership??  This
> question
> > > has been asked repeatedly "behind the scenes." No Answer.  I have
> > > personally asked various persons for a legal statement about this. No
> > > Answer.
> > >
> > > Yes, I've seen the history posted by KE6PCV.
> > >
> > > I (and HamVoIP) have continually been called a "criminals," etc., by
> W9CR
> > > (and a few others). Are you aware that "criminal" proceeding can only
> be
> > > initiated by the copyright owner??  So far, I've not been contacted by
> the
> > > owner??
> > >
> > > Some other interesting facts include:
> > >
> > > How did W9CR obtain 9+ domains previously owned solely by Jim Dixon,
> as of
> > > his untimely death??  They include:
> > >
> > > allstarlink.com
> > > allstarlink.net
> > > allstarlink.org
> > > bsdtelephony.net
> > > duuuude.com
> > > lambdatel.com
> > > ofaa.org
> > > zapatatelephony.com
> > > zapatatelephony.org
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim also owned a /21 IPv4 subnet (206.82.240.0/21) when he passed.
> That
> > > also now belongs to W9CR, as of about 03/28/2018. See:
> > >
> > > https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-206-82-240-0-1/pft?s=206.82.247.18
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess you're also not aware that W9CR is trying to TRADEMARK the
> > > word-mark "AllStar" ???  Try searching the USPTO and take a look at
the
> > > exhibits presented! Here is a link:
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/search-trademark-databa
se
> > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, it seems the pot will have to be stirred. This useless
> bull
> > > hockey WILL finally get resolved for once and for all.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > >
> > > 73, David KB4FXC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > or ignore it and move on.
> > > >
> > > > I have to respectfully disagree.  We all have a responsibility to
> point
> > > > out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where
> hams
> > > > run afoul of Part 97.
> > > >
> > > > If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice
> to
> > > > the ham community.  Just so if we say that we don't care about the
> GPL,
> > > it
> > > > does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by
> > > > contributing software.
> > > >
> > > > If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance
> of
> > > > correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.
> > > >
> > > > But let's be civil in how we go about it.
> > > >
> > > > ================================================================
> > > > Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
> > > > Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> > > > Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
> > > > WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > App_rpt-users mailing list
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Message: 29
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 17:45:29 -0500
From: jimmy keffer <horsezip at earthlink.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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all this junk is making me want 2 just the alstar system it's just sad
being newer to this i only got to talk to jim dude once but i'm sure is
turning over in his grave seeing this crap go om
jimmy ka3vgm pa,


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Message: 30
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 15:55:18 -0700 (MST)
From: Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:

> My primary concern is: Who is the Copyright owner NOW for all the various
> AllStar related modules and as of what date were they released GPL2?

The beauty of the GPL is that it is largely irrelevant who the copyright 
holder is.  If you hold a GPL copyright, the ONLY power you have is that 
you can ensure that the software remains open source.

By using the GPL you explicitly allow ANYBODY to use, modify, redistribute 
or other make use of that code.  The only restriction is that in turn, 
they also provide these modifications under the same terms.

The GPL does not view the world as a zero sum game.  It explicitly 
recognizes that when we get the best ideas from everybody, we are all 
better off.

So anybody could fork the ASL codebase, make it better or worse or change 
it in any way that like.  The ONLY requirement is that you MUST release 
the source.

If the only leverage that people who mean HAMVOIP ill has is the GPL, then 
I would submit that you can undercut their ill intentions by releasing the 
source.  Then you will have the high ground both legally and ethically.

I would argue that the superior technology will win out, regardless of 
whether it is called AllStarLink or HAMVOIP or whatever name you choose. 
As long as you comply with the GPL, there is nothing anybody can do to 
prevent you from developing and expanding the technology.  Furthermore, it 
give you the power to enforce compliance with the GPL for the components 
you contribute.

And while it is undoubtedly true that other people will make use of the 
clever things you contributed, people will know where it was pioneered and 
others will be playing catchup as long as you keep improving your 
implementation.  And there may be other clever things you could use and 
improve on that others may invent.

I think I have made it clear that I am not naive about the political 
machinations and I certainly don't condone the underhanded things that 
have happened.

However, I cannot condone violation of the GPL as an appropriate response.

================================================================
Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com


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Message: 31
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 18:39:57 -0500 (EST)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID:
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.1812261758060.3827-100000 at goliath.inttek.net>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII


WHAT???  In the USA, copyright law is the ONLY thing that matters! Wow.

So, what happens if a supposed copyright owner shows up 10 years from now
and says:  "That code or function (or whatever) was never GPL2 and should
never have been released!" ---and they have reasonable proof??? In the
best case, it'll be innocent infringement and yes, you'll be settling in
or out of court. Oh wait, I've been there. Got that tee shirt.  Don't need
another one.

This is one reason why Digium requires a contributor agreement. When you
sign that legal agreement, you state that the code you're providing is
your own and not from any other sources.

Why is my simple request an insurmountable issue??

Enough for today. Other fish to fry.



73, David KB4FXC




On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
> 
> > My primary concern is: Who is the Copyright owner NOW for all the
various
> > AllStar related modules and as of what date were they released GPL2?
> 
> The beauty of the GPL is that it is largely irrelevant who the copyright 
> holder is.  If you hold a GPL copyright, the ONLY power you have is that 
> you can ensure that the software remains open source.
> 
> By using the GPL you explicitly allow ANYBODY to use, modify, redistribute

> or other make use of that code.  The only restriction is that in turn, 
> they also provide these modifications under the same terms.
> 
> The GPL does not view the world as a zero sum game.  It explicitly 
> recognizes that when we get the best ideas from everybody, we are all 
> better off.
> 
> So anybody could fork the ASL codebase, make it better or worse or change 
> it in any way that like.  The ONLY requirement is that you MUST release 
> the source.
> 
> If the only leverage that people who mean HAMVOIP ill has is the GPL, then

> I would submit that you can undercut their ill intentions by releasing the

> source.  Then you will have the high ground both legally and ethically.
> 
> I would argue that the superior technology will win out, regardless of 
> whether it is called AllStarLink or HAMVOIP or whatever name you choose. 
> As long as you comply with the GPL, there is nothing anybody can do to 
> prevent you from developing and expanding the technology.  Furthermore, it

> give you the power to enforce compliance with the GPL for the components 
> you contribute.
> 
> And while it is undoubtedly true that other people will make use of the 
> clever things you contributed, people will know where it was pioneered and

> others will be playing catchup as long as you keep improving your 
> implementation.  And there may be other clever things you could use and 
> improve on that others may invent.
> 
> I think I have made it clear that I am not naive about the political 
> machinations and I certainly don't condone the underhanded things that 
> have happened.
> 
> However, I cannot condone violation of the GPL as an appropriate response.
> 
> ================================================================
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> Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
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Message: 32
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 15:50:45 -0800
From: Todd Lesser <todd at nccom.com>
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Limey Unix
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Does anyone know how to save the network configuration in Limey Linux?   My
node is currently set up as static IP and I want to change it to DHCP.
I run net setup but when I reboot, it loses it all.
I assume there is a command that will save it to flash memory.

Does anyone know what that is?

Thanks




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Message: 33
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 18:56:57 -0500
From: Mike <mm at midnighteng.com>
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Limey Unix
Message-ID: <a0659928-dfd3-7ddf-3865-b3b0f177a6aa at midnighteng.com>
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I have not used Limey but,

taking a guess, if it uses selinux enabled,

you might want to turn it off while you make your changes, then turn it 
back on.

There are command methods to push it through when on but you will have 
to search the web for it.

Again, just a guess. Perhaps someone has a better answer.

...mike/kb8jnm

On 12/26/2018 6:50 PM, Todd Lesser wrote:
> Does anyone know how to save the network configuration in Limey Linux?
My node is currently set up as static IP and I want to change it to DHCP.
> I run net setup but when I reboot, it loses it all.
> I assume there is a command that will save it to flash memory.
>
> Does anyone know what that is?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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Message: 34
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 17:21:45 -0700 (MST)
From: Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.21.1812261652300.15365 at raid3.prinmath.com>
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:

> So, what happens if a supposed copyright owner shows up 10 years from now
> and says:  "That code or function (or whatever) was never GPL2 and should
> never have been released!" ---and they have reasonable proof?

I'm not sure I understand the argument.

Are you saying that it is not appropriate to share the source, because you 
are not sure that the it is covered under the GPL?  In that case, are you 
not opening yourself to greater liability by continuing to modify and use 
it, if you are not sure whether it is covered by the GPL or not.

The whole point of the GPL is that once the code is released under the GPL 
that there is an explicit grant to EVERYBODY to do with the code as they 
see fit, the only restriction being that you must continue to share the 
source.

It seems to me that if you comply with the GPL, you have a reasonable 
argument that you acted in good faith and you can claim innocent 
infingement, regardless of who the original copyright holder is.

If on the other hand it is true that the GPL does not apply, you are quite 
right to worry about modifying and redistributing the code.

I apologize if I misundertood your argument, but I am not following.
-Willem

================================================================
Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
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Message: 35
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 17:06:17 -0800
From: Bob Pyke <k6ecm1 at gmail.com>
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: [App_rpt-users] Modules.conf: autoload
Message-ID: <5678ED8B-1FB7-4D6A-857B-FC279645589A at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

How does the ?autoload? command work in modules.conf, and when would want to
say =yes, and =no?

Thanks,
Bob
K6ECM
73



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Message: 36
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 20:12:20 -0500
From: Mike <mm at midnighteng.com>
To: app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Modules.conf: autoload
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Bob,

Use this general Asterisk guide.

https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Configuring+the+Asterisk+Module+L
oader

As far as what modules are needed for some functions... good luck we 
have no documentation that I know of.
Much is obvious and self evident.
If you have a issue on a function or particular module, ask the group.

...mike/kb8jnm

On 12/26/2018 8:06 PM, Bob Pyke wrote:
> How does the ?autoload? command work in modules.conf, and when would want
to say =yes, and =no?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
> K6ECM
> 73
>
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Message: 37
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 20:14:14 -0500 (EST)
From: David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID:
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.1812261933540.3827-100000 at goliath.inttek.net>
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My reasoning is simple--if private intellectual property is
unintentionally released, which scenario is least damaging:

1. A binary blob that can't be easily reverse engineered and can only be 
used in a very specific, limited scope way.

2. A source code file that once disclosed can be copied by anyone 
in the future, for ever more. Something like:

		void my_secret_spy_function() {
			//
			// patented or licensed algorithms
			//
			//
		}


I would argue that #1 would be the least damaging to an unknown owner's
intellectual property rights. At least an attempt has been made to limit
the damage to any intellectual property, while waiting for the dust to
clear.

Twenty two months ago, I fully expected a new copyright owner to emerge,
once Jim's Estate was settled---easing many of my concerns.  Those were
the claims being made at that time.  Now, with the records of what has
actually transpired, I really don't know what to think.


It's pointless to argue semantics any further.


73, David KB4FXC



On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
> 
> > So, what happens if a supposed copyright owner shows up 10 years from
now
> > and says:  "That code or function (or whatever) was never GPL2 and
should
> > never have been released!" ---and they have reasonable proof?
> 
> I'm not sure I understand the argument.
> 
> Are you saying that it is not appropriate to share the source, because you

> are not sure that the it is covered under the GPL?  In that case, are you 
> not opening yourself to greater liability by continuing to modify and use 
> it, if you are not sure whether it is covered by the GPL or not.
> 
> The whole point of the GPL is that once the code is released under the GPL

> that there is an explicit grant to EVERYBODY to do with the code as they 
> see fit, the only restriction being that you must continue to share the 
> source.
> 
> It seems to me that if you comply with the GPL, you have a reasonable 
> argument that you acted in good faith and you can claim innocent 
> infingement, regardless of who the original copyright holder is.
> 
> If on the other hand it is true that the GPL does not apply, you are quite

> right to worry about modifying and redistributing the code.
> 
> I apologize if I misundertood your argument, but I am not following.
> -Willem
> 
> ================================================================
> Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
> Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
> Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
> WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
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Message: 38
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 17:19:59 -0800
From: Bob Pyke <k6ecm1 at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Modules.conf: autoload
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Very good, thanks Mike. 

Bob
K6ECM
73


> On Dec 26, 2018, at 5:12 PM, Mike <mm at midnighteng.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Use this general Asterisk guide.
> 
>
https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Configuring+the+Asterisk+Module+L
oader
> 
> As far as what modules are needed for some functions... good luck we have
no documentation that I know of.
> Much is obvious and self evident.
> If you have a issue on a function or particular module, ask the group.
> 
> ...mike/kb8jnm
> 
>> On 12/26/2018 8:06 PM, Bob Pyke wrote:
>> How does the ?autoload? command work in modules.conf, and when would want
to say =yes, and =no?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>> K6ECM
>> 73
>> 
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Message: 39
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 19:04:54 -0700
From: JJC <cummingsj at gmail.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
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So you are saying that you are attempting to protect Jim?s intellectual
property in some way? That same intellectual property that was already
released as opensource under the GPL?

Incidentally, what you describe in #2 is precisely the spirit (and legal
function) of the GPL to begin with.

Sent from the iRoad

> On Dec 26, 2018, at 18:14, David McGough <kb4fxc at inttek.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> My reasoning is simple--if private intellectual property is
> unintentionally released, which scenario is least damaging:
> 
> 1. A binary blob that can't be easily reverse engineered and can only be 
> used in a very specific, limited scope way.
> 
> 2. A source code file that once disclosed can be copied by anyone 
> in the future, for ever more. Something like:
> 
>        void my_secret_spy_function() {
>            //
>            // patented or licensed algorithms
>            //
>            //
>        }
> 
> 
> I would argue that #1 would be the least damaging to an unknown owner's
> intellectual property rights. At least an attempt has been made to limit
> the damage to any intellectual property, while waiting for the dust to
> clear.
> 
> Twenty two months ago, I fully expected a new copyright owner to emerge,
> once Jim's Estate was settled---easing many of my concerns.  Those were
> the claims being made at that time.  Now, with the records of what has
> actually transpired, I really don't know what to think.
> 
> 
> It's pointless to argue semantics any further.
> 
> 
> 73, David KB4FXC
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, what happens if a supposed copyright owner shows up 10 years from
now
>>> and says:  "That code or function (or whatever) was never GPL2 and
should
>>> never have been released!" ---and they have reasonable proof?
>> 
>> I'm not sure I understand the argument.
>> 
>> Are you saying that it is not appropriate to share the source, because
you 
>> are not sure that the it is covered under the GPL?  In that case, are you

>> not opening yourself to greater liability by continuing to modify and use

>> it, if you are not sure whether it is covered by the GPL or not.
>> 
>> The whole point of the GPL is that once the code is released under the
GPL 
>> that there is an explicit grant to EVERYBODY to do with the code as they 
>> see fit, the only restriction being that you must continue to share the 
>> source.
>> 
>> It seems to me that if you comply with the GPL, you have a reasonable 
>> argument that you acted in good faith and you can claim innocent 
>> infingement, regardless of who the original copyright holder is.
>> 
>> If on the other hand it is true that the GPL does not apply, you are
quite 
>> right to worry about modifying and redistributing the code.
>> 
>> I apologize if I misundertood your argument, but I am not following.
>> -Willem
>> 
>> ================================================================
>> Dr. Willem A. Schreuder,  President,  Principia Mathematica
>> Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
>> Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
>> WWW: www.prinmath.com   Email: Willem.Schreuder at prinmath.com
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Message: 40
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 19:55:59 -0700 (MST)
From: Willem Schreuder <willem at prinmath.com>
To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.21.1812261920340.16496 at raid3.prinmath.com>
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:

> My reasoning is simple--if private intellectual property is
> unintentionally released, which scenario is least damaging:

You omit the third and only responsible action if you believe that you are 
releasing private intellectual property not covered by the GPL:

3.  Do not release anything at all.

If you don't believe that you have the right to that intellectual property 
through the GPL, you have no business releasing it in any form whatsoever.

This is why the GPL is so powerful.  Once you release something under the 
GPL, you cannot take it back.  That is why software companies have to be 
so careful taking contributions.  The GPL is rather insidious, and I for 
one think that is a good thing.

================================================================
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Address:  445 Union Blvd, Suite 230,  Lakewood, CO  80228, USA
Tel: (303) 716-3573   Fax: (303) 716-3575
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