[App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP

Pierre Martel petem001 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 13 02:53:08 EST 2019


John, my internet is provided by a cable network.. No telco in sight, would
it still be a violation?


Le mar. 12 févr. 2019 à 21:45, John Heron <jh0932 at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples
> interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the only thing
> that did change.
>
> If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in violation.
>
> All the best, John Heron
> 561-334-6494
> jh0932 at gmail.com
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That and if its cable internet the Telco argument is a moot point since
> that is not regulated.
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM mitchmitchell1616 <
> mitchmitchell1616 at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> From what I remember,  they didn't want you bypassing the long distance
>> carriers by putting telephone calls over the radio connecting a local call
>> to RF and terminating to another local call on the far end.  Once IP
>> network is involved,  the underlying physical network architecture isn't
>> relevant.   Lots of outdated rules still on the books.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: John Heron <jh0932 at gmail.com>
>> Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP
>>
>> If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or landline or
>> any part of the system touches a telco then the whole system is deemed
>> illegal.
>>
>> All the best, John Heron
>> 561-334-6494
>> jh0932 at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray at mminternet.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether §
>> 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via "wireline"
>> from a remote source, such as a voting receiver.  It didn't concern the
>> wisdom or other issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one
>> can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely over the same
>> "wireline" link that carries the audio.
>> >
>> > The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are technical
>> ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out receivers -- many
>> people who set up links might not implement them.  If one wants to set up a
>> linked system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure that it
>> operates legally.  However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that
>> all repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the coverage
>> area who might be using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with
>> amateur radio systems.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an Internet
>> linked system if they thought it through.  Unless you are using independent
>> RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a
>> calamity.
>> >
>> > KE6CD
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Here is a MAJOR problem....
>> >> "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier
>> >> squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not extend
>> >> over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of other
>> >> local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully
>> >> compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for
>> >> activity BEFORE keying up!
>> >> All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS machine
>> >> to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter.
>> >> Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's
>> >> purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are going to
>> >> disagree....but thats the way it is.
>> >
>> >
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