[App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP

Joe Leikhim rhyolite at leikhim.com
Wed Feb 13 03:07:06 EST 2019


I am curious. Has the FCC ever issued a fine or NAL to any GMRS operator 
for linking a repeater?? I tried searching for GMRS violations once on 
the EB portal and found little in the way of GMRS violations.

On 2/12/2019 9:45 PM, John Heron wrote:
> Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples 
> interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the only 
> thing that did change.
>
> If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in violation.
>
> All the best, John Heron
> 561-334-6494
> jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv at gmail.com 
> <mailto:kc2irv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> That and if its cable internet the Telco argument is a moot point 
>> since that is not regulated.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM mitchmitchell1616 
>> <mitchmitchell1616 at gmail.com <mailto:mitchmitchell1616 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     From what I remember,  they didn't want you bypassing the long
>>     distance carriers by putting telephone calls over the radio
>>     connecting a local call to RF and terminating to another local
>>     call on the far end.  Once IP network is involved,  the
>>     underlying physical network architecture isn't relevant.   Lots
>>     of outdated rules still on the books.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>     -------- Original message --------
>>     From: John Heron <jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>>
>>     Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>     To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>>     <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>>     <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>>
>>     Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using
>>     HAMVoIP
>>
>>     If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or
>>     landline or any part of the system touches a telco then the whole
>>     system is deemed illegal.
>>
>>     All the best, John Heron
>>     561-334-6494
>>     jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>     > On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray at mminternet.com
>>     <mailto:fwbray at mminternet.com> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether §
>>     95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio received via
>>     "wireline" from a remote source, such as a voting receiver.  It
>>     didn't concern the wisdom or other issues that impact the
>>     legality of linking or whether one can set up a node where the
>>     transmitter is keyed remotely over the same "wireline" link that
>>     carries the audio.
>>     >
>>     > The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there are
>>     technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as lock-out
>>     receivers -- many people who set up links might not implement
>>     them.  If one wants to set up a linked system, one should take
>>     all necessary steps to make sure that it operates legally. 
>>     However, with any repeater, there's no guarantee that all
>>     repeater users will be able to hear all local users in the
>>     coverage area who might be using low power simplex. Similar
>>     issues exist with amateur radio systems.
>>     >
>>     > I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend upon an
>>     Internet linked system if they thought it through.  Unless you
>>     are using independent RF links under your own control, VoIP isn't
>>     a very robust system during a calamity.
>>     >
>>     > KE6CD
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >> On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >> Here is a MAJOR problem....
>>     >> "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in carrier
>>     >> squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission does not
>>     extend
>>     >> over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on top of
>>     other
>>     >> local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To be fully
>>     >> compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the channel for
>>     >> activity BEFORE keying up!
>>     >> All it would take is a written complaint against a linked GMRS
>>     machine
>>     >> to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist letter.
>>     >> Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to fulfill it's
>>     >> purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world" types are
>>     going to
>>     >> disagree....but thats the way it is.
>>     >
>>     >
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