[App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP

Joe Leikhim rhyolite at leikhim.com
Wed Feb 13 03:23:49 EST 2019


It does seem the most stubborn bunch get busted. They get a nice 
friendly warning and then go bigger.  The FCC does not like being lied 
to. That will get you NAL'd right away.

I saw a beat up van in traffic in my neighborhood here in Central 
Florida. It caught my eye for all the various stickers on it. So I 
google it and it is owned by a Haitian businessman in south Florida who 
was busted repeatedly for running a quasi commercial pirate station.  
What he was doing up here I have no idea, probably there is another 
illegal station here. I need to tune in.

When I lived in Miami I had a Haitian guy calling me all the time 
wanting to build a legal LPFM station near the Miami Airport. I did a 
pro bono study for him and found only a low power slot in Homestead 
ideal for Mexican demographic, but not in right place for the Haitians. 
Still he called all the time, somebody told him I could work magic or 
something. Nice, but no.


On 2/12/2019 10:09 PM, Mitch Mitchell wrote:
>
> I searched fairly extensively through NALs for other reasons and I was 
> struck by how hard individuals had to work to get fined by the FCC.  
> Frankly I would not have the stamina.  I don’t specifically remember 
> seeing anything like this but I was looking for other things at the time.
>
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> *From: *Joe Leikhim <mailto:rhyolite at leikhim.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:07 PM
> *To: *Users of Asterisk app_rpt 
> <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP
>
> I am curious. Has the FCC ever issued a fine or NAL to any GMRS 
> operator for linking a repeater?? I tried searching for GMRS 
> violations once on the EB portal and found little in the way of GMRS 
> violations.
>
> On 2/12/2019 9:45 PM, John Heron wrote:
>
>     Wrong look again. FCC is clear on that. Nothing changed. Peoples
>     interpretation of what they would like to hear and see is the only
>     thing that did change.
>
>     If any part of a linked network touches a telco it’s in violation.
>
>     All the best, John Heron
>
>     561-334-6494
>
>     jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>
>
>
>     On Feb 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, Joe Moskalski <kc2irv at gmail.com
>     <mailto:kc2irv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         That and if its cable internet the Telco argument is a moot
>         point since that is not regulated.
>
>         On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 6:52 PM mitchmitchell1616
>         <mitchmitchell1616 at gmail.com
>         <mailto:mitchmitchell1616 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             From what I remember,  they didn't want you bypassing the
>             long distance carriers by putting telephone calls over the
>             radio connecting a local call to RF and terminating to
>             another local call on the far end.  Once IP network is
>             involved,  the underlying physical network architecture
>             isn't relevant.   Lots of outdated rules still on the books.
>
>             Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
>             -------- Original message --------
>
>             From: John Heron <jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>>
>
>             Date: 2/12/19 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
>
>             To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt
>             <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org
>             <mailto:app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>>
>
>             Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network
>             using HAMVoIP
>
>             If it’s hooked to a telco it’s illegal. If you have DSL or
>             landline or any part of the system touches a telco then
>             the whole system is deemed illegal.
>
>             All the best, John Heron
>             561-334-6494
>             jh0932 at gmail.com <mailto:jh0932 at gmail.com>
>
>
>             > On Feb 11, 2019, at 5:29 PM, fwbray at mminternet.com
>             <mailto:fwbray at mminternet.com> wrote:
>             >
>             > Just to clarify, my comments only had to do with whether
>             § 95.1733(a)(8) prohibits transmission of any audio
>             received via "wireline" from a remote source, such as a
>             voting receiver.  It didn't concern the wisdom or other
>             issues that impact the legality of linking or whether one
>             can set up a node where the transmitter is keyed remotely
>             over the same "wireline" link that carries the audio.
>             >
>             > The concerns Kirk expressed are legitimate. While there
>             are technical ways of dealing with some of them -- such as
>             lock-out receivers -- many people who set up links might
>             not implement them.  If one wants to set up a linked
>             system, one should take all necessary steps to make sure
>             that it operates legally.  However, with any repeater,
>             there's no guarantee that all repeater users will be able
>             to hear all local users in the coverage area who might be
>             using low power simplex. Similar issues exist with amateur
>             radio systems.
>             >
>             > I'm not sure that "Prepers" etc., would want to depend
>             upon an Internet linked system if they thought it
>             through.  Unless you are using independent RF links under
>             your own control, VoIP isn't a very robust system during a
>             calamity.
>             >
>             > KE6CD
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >> On 2019-02-11 12:31, Kirk Just Kirk wrote:
>             >>
>             >> Here is a MAJOR problem....
>             >> "GMRS" is a SHARED channel.Each station is to LISTEN in
>             carrier
>             >> squelch before transmitting. Since this transmission
>             does not extend
>             >> over the VoIP circuit, distant stations can transmit on
>             top of other
>             >> local stations, not knowing they are on the channel.To
>             be fully
>             >> compliant, each GMRS node would have to listen on the
>             channel for
>             >> activity BEFORE keying up!
>             >> All it would take is a written complaint against a
>             linked GMRS machine
>             >> to result in a violation, a NAL and a cease and desist
>             letter.
>             >> Inn reality, GMRS does not need distant linking to
>             fulfill it's
>             >> purpose. I know the "Preppers" and "Save the world"
>             types are going to
>             >> disagree....but thats the way it is.
>             >
>             >
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