[App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP

Joe Leikhim rhyolite at leikhim.com
Mon Feb 18 18:20:19 EST 2019


I am not sure that the PSTN or (North America numbering plan) NANP even 
exist in the regulatory world of the FCC today. A reread of the current 
rules finds those definitions no longer exist.


On 2/18/2019 1:05 PM, Pierre Martel wrote:
> So from what I can understand. you can link them if the method to link 
> is not connected to a pstn line. Now If I am not too crazy, that would 
> mean that a user that have only a dsl line on site could link by RF 
> (using an wifi access point and a wifi client network card ) to by 
> pass the interconnection to the pstn.. So it is very easy to not be 
> connected to a pstn network. The othe part aboit interconnected voip 
> system. It is easy to build a voip system that have no link to any 
> pstn network (allstarlink being one) But it is as easy to connect that 
> voip system to a pstn system. Grey is predominant in that situation.
>
> Pierre
> VE2PF
>
> Le lun. 18 févr. 2019 à 12:20, Brad Trogdon <Brad at trogdon.org 
> <mailto:Brad at trogdon.org>> a écrit :
>
>     Thank you for the reply but you provide no answers to my very
>     specific questions.
>
>     Please see my reply to your questions and comments noted by ">>>"
>
>
>     Has anything been settled with HamVoIP as an attempt to run off
>     with Jim’s work? As of this date I do not believe it has been.
>     >>> What does HamVoIP have to do with the linking of GMRS Repeaters?
>
>     In a shared repeater/simplex channel environment, it is always
>     good to be able to monitor the input before keying up a repeater.
>     In a linked system that’s not possible unless you do the BCLO in
>     each repeater. Never saw that work out too well mixed mode.
>     >>> Not sure you understand how radios work.  If a station is
>     strong / close enough to the repeater to be heard then they are
>     otherwise the users of the repeater users will talk over the
>     "Unheard users".
>
>     https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/95.1749
>     >>> Cornell is not the authority. Federal Register in its entirety
>     is
>     https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/08/29/2017-17395/personal-radio-service-reform#sectno-citation-%E2%80%8995.1701
>     .  The URL which you provided references " telephone connection is
>     prohibited".  What leads you to believe that telephone is
>     connected?  In my specific situation Telco is not even connected
>     to the building.  So no chance of violation.
>
>     So if you have an organized group or club engaged in linking GMRS
>     repeaters together and one of them is in violation related to
>     telco, does that mean the collective network is 9/10 legal?
>     >>> 1. GMRS Repeater linking as an ability or practice is not an
>     "Organized Group".  2. No, the one person is the offender not the
>     others whom are in compliance.  Its against the rules to use foul
>     language on radio frequencies.  If another station is and you hear
>     it but don't reciprocate does that make you and offender of the
>     rules?  No and that logic is silly if you believe true.
>
>     >>> Are you questioning your local GMRS folks whom are charging
>     for access (Membership) to their closed system that is using
>     apt_rpt (AllStar)? *www.NorthGeorgiaGMRS.com
>     <http://www.northgeorgiagmrs.com/>* is a single organized group of
>     30 GMRS Linked repeaters.  I'm not a betting person but I would
>     venture to guess that DSL is in the mix.
>
>
>     <<< FCC Correspondence via email on the topic. >>>
>     Case Id: HD0000002998556
>
>     Summary: Licensing Requirements
>
>     Description: There seems to be a lot of confusion as to whether
>     linking the audio of two or more GMRS repeaters via an internet
>     connection is permitted or prohibited under the part 95 rules.
>
>     Could we please get some sort of clarification as to whether this
>     is a strictly prohibited action per part 95 rules?
>
>     Thank you.
>
>     Solution Description: Dear Mr. *******,
>
>     GMRS stations may not be interconnected to the public switched
>     telephone network as per 95.127. However, proposing to use a VoIP
>     link between the two repeater sites is permissible if the link is
>     considered non-interconnected VoIP. VoIP can either be an
>     interconnected VoIP service or non-interconnected VoIP service,
>     see the definitions below. It is my understanding that if your
>     internet provider is the cable company, it’s fine; but if you have
>     DSL or dial-up internet from the phone company, it isn’t.
>
>     The second method using RF to link the two repeater sites is
>     allowed so long as the link meets the rules and limitations for
>     fixed stations pursuant to the Part 95 rules.
>
>     §64.601
>
>     (23) Non-interconnected VoIP service. The term “non-interconnected
>     VoIP service”—
>
>     (i) Means a service that—
>
>     (A) Enables real-time voice communications that originate from or
>     terminate to the user's location using Internet protocol or any
>     successor protocol; and
>
>     (B) Requires Internet protocol compatible customer premises
>     equipment; and
>
>     (ii) Does not include any service that is an interconnected VoIP
>     service.
>
>     §9.3
>
>     Interconnected VoIP service. An interconnected Voice over Internet
>     protocol (VoIP) service is a service that:
>
>     (1) Enables real-time, two-way voice communications;
>
>     (2) Requires a broadband connection from the user's location;
>
>     (3) Requires Internet protocol-compatible customer premises
>     equipment (CPE); and
>
>     (4) Permits users generally to receive calls that originate on the
>     public switched telephone network and to terminate calls to the
>     public switched telephone network.
>
>     The rules may be found at the following
>     website:https://www.fcc.gov/general/rules-regulations-title-47
>
>     Should you have any further questions, or need additional
>     information, please submit a request
>     throughhttps://esupport.fcc.gov/onlinerequest.htmor call the FCC
>     Licensing Support Center at 1-877-480-3201, selecting option 2
>     after the main menu.
>
>     Sincerely,
>
>     FCC Licensing Support Center
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